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“Gamers” are notoriously obnoxious shithead edgelords.

Especially those playing competitive pvp games.

I was very specifically picking that one example that you mentioned, not sure why you're derailing it now.

What's the second plastic bag for? On checkouts we only have paper bags. At least for like throwaway ones.

Definitely not where I am living. We only had the same cartons going all the way back into the 90s.

What are your criteria for a mechanic being predatory?

Anything that uses shady practices & dark patterns to lure / coerce you into something by triggering certain aspects of our brain. Lootboxes would be a krass example of this, as it is basically gambling, but there's a lot of more subtle tactics too, which I already explained to a degree.

The battlepass dictates what you should do and when you should do it. No internet? Sick? Or just want to play something else? Tough luck I guess. For me this just causes me to feel pressured to play, and not even play what I want or how I want, just to get some artificial points to eventually get the rewards that the game will pack away if I am too slow to finish it in time, or simply unable to do achieve certain tasks (like some of the group content, or just other annoying open world crap).
The only benefit of having the BP sort of a rotational multiplayer feature is that everyone is doing it and its activities at the same time, but that isn't really all that important imo, especially if you primarily play solo. But even with friends it wouldn't really matter whether there's help for that type of content for just one of them, just like people can help in quests they've already done in the past as well.

At the end of the day: Its a live game. I personally feel Warframe is a lot more mellow. But they aren’t for everyone.

If we compare it to the worst titles out there, sure.

And the “achievement hunter” mindset of needing 100% completion in everything really broke live games/MMOs for a lot of people.

That is one aspect I loved about GW2. Their entire "achievement" system is basically a giant catalogue of collectibles to treasure hunt, which you can partake in whenever you feel like it. The game has a lot of other weaknesses but that is the thing I really liked as a completionist, because there was always something to do & aim for, but without any pressure behind it.

Warframe’s “BP” system is the most non-intrusive out of all games with BP that I’ve played.

That's cool, but irrelevant. It was the first BP game I played and left a terrible taste in my mouth. But I guess if that's your metric then I can get your point. I play video games for way too long to get used to all those predatory tactics though. I think especially after seeing how the mmorpg genre got ruined by similar changes over the years that people tried to defend I am certainly a little more sensitive about this swapping over to other multiplayer games and even singleplayer games. Because ultimately it drives the whole gaming industry into a direction that is unhealthy and will ultimately destroy it. I would like this to not actually happen, but I guess I'm also a very opinionated person.

Most of what you’ve listed don’t sound like problems with the game itself, but rather the game being just not for you. And it is normal.

Who, in terms of players, would actually benefit from this over a system that isn't using predatory methods? Why not make the rewards available at all times instead? There's really no reason to have even a BP system like this to not be simply tied to local progression instead. This is just shoving the blame to the players who suffer from shitty decisions like this. Things like the wiki requirement are problematic, but minor in comparison.

It's funny how you try to discredit the very feelings that I experience.

Lets start of by relics, the vaulting system is literally there to make them easier to grind and the vaulted relics are always rotating back trough an even easier way to farm, not a FOMO

You have to wait months, sometimes years for stuff to come back. Then you have just a short time window that is purely based on insane grind due to stupid RNG mechanics to actually get the relics you want. And with every additional frame they add the pool of relics increases, making the things you need even rarer.

Reputations? The one system that is meant to be played in the long term and wont ever leave? Do you even know what FOMO means?

It requires me to log in frequently to grind to not miss out on the content locked behind it. Whether I want to do it right now or not doesn't matter, and when I want to do it I have to constantly wait. If you can't see how stupid this is then I don't know how to help you.

The Unique events that are Rotating back in every year? Because they are seasonal content? And even then what theh offer is interwinned so other contents can offer their rewards as well? Sure I mean if you only play for 3 days a Year, surely its a FOMO but… really?

If you lock very mandatory stuff for various builds behind something that only happens once for a short time per year, then yes, that's causing FOMO. And no, the original events only happened once, including their participation rewards.

The Battlepass I assume you mean Nightwave because its the only thing even close to it and even then, it’s not… Yeah another long term grind that you can literally complete to the max by just casually Playing (which is how I do it) 1 hour a day and it’s rewards are constantly re-used in other reward Pools? Like Literally I have obtained 3 “Final Reward” Items as normal rewards in next seasons already, not a FOMO

Funny because even the devs like Steve called it a battlepass. If you require me to play daily then that makes the game a job, a chore. That's not casual. It dictates when and how I have to play and "incentivizes" me through rewards I'll miss out on. That's absolutely not how things should be done. An incentive is something that makes me WANT to play, not something that makes me feel that I HAVE to play.

But sure at this point its clear we have different definitions of FOMO so, go ahead play whatever you feel like

I will. But I was fully expecting some kneejerk fanboy getting defensive about it anyway. lol

The only plastic cartons for eggs I've seen were clear plastic ones for colored Easter eggs.

I can't trade due to direct player interaction being difficult for me, especially when they're negative / hostile, which happened on my first and only attempt at trading, and the game does not have an auction house.

I tried coming back, but then the stupid battlepass thingy immediately go on my nerves by dictating what I should do, then I saw the stuff that I would miss, thought about the stuff I already missed and immediately left again.

Completely forgot that you guys have literal milk bags. lol
I don't think I've ever seen an egg carton that isn't out of recycled paper though. For glass stuff there's at least an argument to be made about weight, but in regards to drinking water it should ideally be unnecessary anyway through clean tap water.

Let's hope Samsung's general quality issues won't reach their SSD market.

What pisses me off is that they just assume that everyone who wants to watch videos also wants to watch shorts. There's no native way to block or filter them completely. That's also an aspect where YT got so much worse. Like you can't use quotation marks to explicitly search terms anymore. It just suggests you random garbage that is irrelevant to what you want, which is often burried far below all the other garbage search results. I don't even know why you'd remove a feature like that. It's such an unnecessary dumbing down, because people unaware won't use it anyway, as it is completely invisible to them. YT just goes further down the shitter with each year.

Relic rotations, a gazillion daily / weekly capped reputations / activities, various unique events, and of course the freaking "battlepass" bullshit, which ultimately made me finally leave for good. The game became simply a chore, a job, it tried to semi-force / lure me into playing with timed garbage instead of providing actual incentives. I played a lot but if you constantly have to fear pressure me into playing instead of making it my own choice then I'm quitting, because that completely kills the fun out of the gameplay & story. D4 currently does the same garbage but even worse and if all multiplayer titles are going to end this way then they'll die just like the mmorpg genre. Like, right now I don't have internet for over a week now, possibly for more weeks to come, thanks to Vodafone being hot garbage. I don't even want to know how much I would miss out on if I can't play, or even simply if I don't want to play a specific game at the moment. And if a game makes me miss out on shit, then I simply move on. Because what is the point if I can't get everything that could technically be available? So yeah, if I feel I have to play, then I won't. Simple as that.

If they go for the same FOMO crap I have little hope for it from my part.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsy/

I feel it is a bit of a reality check in that most people actually just post mundane stuff, while certain other sites purposely promote all the rage bait and controversial topics instead, which somewhat distorts your potential world view.

You can't be serious.