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because one of the candidates has promised to end democracy.

That candidate promised to do a lot of stuff.

And now move to the next election, 1860, in which the third party once again disappeared. No term-over-term progress made. I see no evidence any current minor parties are faring any better.

Huh?

That party's candidate—i.e. that third party's candidate—i.e. the Republican party's candidate—Abe Lincoln—won the US Presidency. (and with less than 40% of the popular vote)

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We have a steadily increasing number of Democratic senators and representatives who vocally oppose the genocide in Gaza.

Do they support cutting funding to Israel?

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The anti-genocide position correlates to politician’s generation, which is only going to improve further as Biden and Pelosi’s generation gets out and there are more of AOC’s generation and younger. Installing anti-genocidal local officials like sheriffs, judges, city councils, and university regents means peaceful protests wouldn’t be shut down as frequently.

They can join the protesters for all Israel cares: what matters far more to Israel is that Congress and the White House continues to send money—as Biden has and as I think Harris will continue to—though I readily concede that there is a significant possibility that she will either not, or at least contribute far less.

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Also: Harris Campaign THROWS OUT Muslim Leader From Rally.

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My down ballot will not be a straight Democratic ticket. But I’m sure as hell not giving Trump even a miniscule edge by throwing my vote for US president away on RFK Jr. or Stein.

Are you in a swing state, or are you in California, Maryland, Massachusetts, DC, Vermont, West Virginia, or Wyoming?

Amazon itself didn't exist until 18 months after Clinton took office—a few years after the first Intifada begun.

There was an election ad just before that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvhjsNiAFYk

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here's another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbuV9e5ZlXE

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I can almost hear Trump now:

"Those children, those sweet Palestinian children, when they sang 'God Bless America,' oh my God, it was such a sweet version, and then that girl, what was her name? FAT-eh-mah, Fa-TEEM-mah, I don't know, I think it was FAT-eh-imah, but it doesn't matter, when she brought me those flowers and told me, 'Mister President, you are the greatest leader America ever had, the greatest leader in the world, could you stop the Zionists—whoever 'Zionists' are I don't know what a 'Zionist' is, I think it's some alien race in Star Trek—'from bombing my family, I know you can, because you are very powerful man, you are the most powerful man in the world, you can do anything,' I was so touch, so touched, so I phoned Bibi, and I said, 'Bibi, could you stop the bombing for a few days', and he said he would, but you know people, he didn't, so I cut his funding. I cut his funding, and he was mad, or maybe upset, not mad, but upset, because Bibi and I are such friends, I never had a friend as close as Bibi, but when you have friends, sometimes you have to be strong, so I said, 'Bibi, i'm going to cut you off for a while, because that sweet Palestinian girl, that girl who gave me flowers, said that some in her family were accidentally killed. I'm not blaming those soldiers, but sometimes, you have to think before you do stuff, and I think cutting them off for a while would help.' He was mad, oh yes, Bibi was very mad at me, he even said some angry words, foul words, he was so loud, I was worried he was going to get a heart attack or something, I never heard anyone be so mad, but sometimes you have to do things."

Do you regard elections as nuisances?

Presumably it's not narrowing the gap between the 2 de facto institutional political parties of America that threaten such, but rather either of them winning majorities.

Indeed, if say, California and Texas each voted >40% for the candidate of one of the de facto institutional political parties of America, >30% for the candidate of the other de facto institutional political parties of America, and <30% for candidates of third parties and independent candidates, presumably, we'd increase the chance of reform.

Do you live in a swing state, or do you live in a state where Biden's plurality was, say, 25% greater than Trump's (or Trump's plurality was 25% greater than Biden's)? (wp:2020 United States presidential election#Results by state)

Will Harris repeal Biden's 100% tariff on Chinese EVs?

As for climate change, nature is giving people in the Gulf states a few lessons. At present, the lessons are relatively subtle, but in time they will probably become more pronounced. Even if Trump wins this year (2024), he won't stop, say, 8 category 5 hurricanes from going over Mar-a-Lago over the next 4 years: I doubt the detonation of 1000 nukes would stop them.

How much of a margin do you want Harris to have over Trump in California? Should it be like Biden's and exceed 5 million votes, when even an excess of 1 million votes—or even 100 000 votes—would give her as many Californian Electors?

If Harris wins, the Democrats will learn that they can ignore progressives with relative impunity, and focus on what really matters—maintaining their power and positions;

and with the American people's (and other peoples') deference to incumbents, she will either win again in 2028, or fail so badly through incompetence that the GOP wins.

If she wins again in 2028, it will probably be the same-old-same-old as it was in Obama's 2nd term (e.g. the rise of Islamic State, occupation of parts of Ukraine by Russia, reputed slave auctions in Libya), or Clinton's 2nd (e. g. bombing Belgrade because he's not man enough to own up to to his extra-marital affairs).

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If Trump wins, the genocide will indeed be worse, though I doubt much worse.

He will end 2028 as an 82 year-old ending his 2nd term.

With decreased vigor, and continued rallies, his underlings will be quite busy with back-stabbing each other, and we might see both Houses go Democrat in 2026—a few months after his 80th birthday.

Presumably J.D. Vance will be the heir apparent, though far less loved than, say, Papa Bush.

Let's hope his Democrat rival in 2028 is up to it, but if wt:thon isn't, it will be thons and the party's fault.

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If Orange man wins the swings states, even though in each of those states, the votes for Democrats and 3rd party candidates combined significantly, perhaps greatly, exceeded votes for him, and if Californians stop being such 'fraidy cats and gave, say 15% to 3rd party candidates, resulting in yet again another overwhelming victory for the Democrat US Presidential candidate in California, the bigwigs in the DNC will realize that progressives will be ignored at the party's peril.

What great progress has occurred in the US without activism regardless of who occupies the White House?

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The closest I could come up with, at least for now, is the wp:1856 United States presidential election, where that loser, John Frémont, from the newly formed Republican party, presumably split the Whig vote and ushered in the victory of that impotent cuck, the Democrat James Buchanan.

also wants to give all school children machine guns and grenades, and require cars to intentionally run down pedestrians?

Huh?

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Or or or let’s say that the anti-genocide candidate’s campaign is so bad that her own party is telling her drop out? .

As intelligent and informed as we all know Europeans are compared to us dumb-fuck North Americans, could the average European explain to us the role of the Electoral College in American politics; and that if 5 million Californians who voted for Biden, vote for Stein, West, Oliver, or that tankie, Del la Cruz, the state would probably still go blue in 90 hours?

Trump lies a lot, including about the bad things he says he's going to do.

Perhaps if the leader of Hamas, with the leader of Qatar, invited Trump to a great military parade in Qatar in his honor, with 1000s of American flags waving, a band playing Hail to the Chief near the red carpet rolled to the jet plane, Palestinian girls singing God Bless America to him, some Palestinian girl presenting him a huge bouquet of flowers, and some Palestinian doing a flawless and great rendition of Ave Maria, he might attend, and with it it might have greater consequences in the Middle East than Harris impotently wagging her finger at Netanyahu.

So Palestinian-Americans, even those in non-swing states—including California, where I'd almost bet my $200 to anyone's $20 that that state will go to Harris—should just shut up about Harris being pro-genocide for the next 90 or so hours (as they should have shut up about it for the past few months), and suck it up and vote for and the Democrats, including Harris, and in turn, reasonably assured that she, and other Democrats, from centrists to progressives, will nonetheless surprise us after 5 November and do a 180, or near 180, against Israel.

Had Gore been elected in 2000, we might not have gotten Iraq or even a 911, but neither would we probably have had an Obama, for better or worse.

IIUC, much of Carter's retirement was building houses, giving interviews, writing books, and occasionally hanging out with current and ex- Presidents.

IIUC, much of Clinton's retirement was working on his foundations, giving thumbs up to his wife's career, and Lewinsky looking better over the next 25 or so years.

Obama has now volunteered to help save Harris's campaign because she apparently can't hack it without his or Cheney's support, particularly with the current senile President saying stupid things and with the almost-as-old Bill Clinton doing almost as badly.

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The truce in Korea was made a year or so after Eisenhower was elected.

IIUC, Nixon went to China, signed the first SALT treaty with the USSR, and ended American participation in Vietnam with the SVA actually holding off the NVA and VCs for about 2 years.

Under his Democrat successor, Israel signed a peace deal with a dictatorship, Afghanistan was invaded, Iran turned Islamic and hostages were held for months.

The Reagan/Bush Presidency ended with the end of the USSR and Warsaw Pact.

Under Clinton, Belgrade was bombed partially because people focused too much on his sexually exploiting his power imbalance with an intern.

Yes, Bush's idiot son created disaster in Afghanistan and Iraq, but disasters continued under Obama, his presidency concluding with the Russian occupation of Crimea, Russia meddling in Donbas with Neo-Nazis serving as America's proxies, the rise of Islamic State, temporary change in Egypt, and reportedly slave auctions in Libya.

For all his rhetoric, Trump's Presidency was perhaps the most pacific Republican Presidency since Hoover—over 90 years ago.

Biden is elected with a lot of mail-in ballots (a great way for men to control the votes of their wives and girlfriends) and 16 months later, more of Ukraine is invaded. Genocide occurs under his watch, and instead of retiring gracefully as he perhaps should have 9 to 21 months ago, and give Harris a head start, we have a President calling about half of America garbage and this happening in Michigan: Harris Campaign THROWS OUT Muslim Leader From Rally.

Do you think Liz Cheney or her father, Darth Vader, will oppose the genocide?

Would you welcome an endorsement of Harris by Dubya Bush?

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but I suspect there’s some realpolitik bullshit and Biden’s traditional outlook on American foreign policy behind that support and maybe there’s a substantive shift after the election.

I'm sure similar was said in late 1976.

The 1992 election coincided with Fleetwood Mac (cued). ("Don't. Stop. Thinking about Tomorrow. Don't Stop. It'll soon be here [.... oooooo, don't you look back.]")

Ah, those were the days: the fall of the Berlin Wall and that stupid war in Iraq about 2 years past.

2008: "Yes we can."

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"A vote for Stein [or West or Oliver] is a vote for Trump."

Sorry, you realpolitik-types need to do better.

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So downvote me, like many others are, because I think a vote for Harris is a vote for Trump-lite.

5% gain cumulative gain per election x 10 elections (say 2032 to 2072) = 50%

If a pro-genocide Republican, a pro-Genocide Democrat, and anti-genocide 3rd party candidate runs, who should a voter vote for?

What if you live in a non-swing state?

If 5 million Californians who voted for Biden instead voted for 3rd party, that state would probably still go blue.

a post I made earlier:

If Harris loses California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Hawaii, Vermont, DC, or Maine-1 because of vote-splitting by Stein, it will be Harris’s fault. If you’re voting in these states, you might as well vote your heart.

https://lemmy.world/post/21147692

If he dies the Trumpers will say that the RINOs did it.

He'll be less dangerous to the US, and more dangerous for the GOP.

He should still run for President in 2028, 2032, and 2036.

Come on Trump! Obama won 2 terms and you only have 1: you are such a loser!