CthuluVoIP @ CthuluVoIP @lemmy.world

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Were we not defederated from Lemmygrad? That appears to be refederated again following the attack.

iOS 16.5.1 on iPhone 14 Pro Max. Latest version in test flight and Memmy has full access to photos as well.

Having the same issue. Hard locks the app and requires it to be force quit and relaunched. Image is never saved. This happens with both the download and share buttons.

That's definitely a big part of it, too. I think the app symbolizes the chain of decisions that led us to where we are right now. We said, "We want to use the site how we have been using it for a long time" and they said, "Go fuck yourself." So we did.

Not in a manner that doesn't also discourage me from using the site, no. And clearly, if you check my post / comment history here you can see that I was being sarcastic. But only to a point - different people want different things, and a platform like Lemmy can provide for everyone. For users like me, I want all the content in the world without the algorithm mucking up the stream to prioritize sponsored content and advertisements. I want to be able to quickly pivot between memes, sports, gaming, music, news, and technology posts all on a single platform. Had Reddit not made that impossible with their poor decisions, I would not have migrated - nor would the majority of users currently on Lemmy. This is just classic NIMBYism, but hopefully it dies out and the fediverse continues to grow in popularity, with and without Threads.

Exactly. The only reason that Lemmy is seeing such a dramatic increase in user population and activity right now is because people are showing Reddit and Spez that they disagree with what they're doing. Will it kill Reddit? Too early to tell if we'll even make a dent. But it's silly to say that most people are here because of some heartfelt desire to break free from the shackles of social media.

It's funny pictures and jokes that I read while I'm pooping, my guy. It's not that serious.

I'm in the same boat. I want Lemmy to be a firehose of content, the overwhelming majority of which I won't ever want to interact with. I want that because different people are interested in different things, and that's what allows for even the niche communities to find their footing with more than a small contingent of people.

I think the tools at our disposal as users and administrators of Fediverse systems are already good enough to manage and control your own experience, and I'm confident that they'll continue to improve at a rapid click. The experience of using Lemmy as a Reddit replacement has already improved dramatically since June 12th, and it does so every day. I appreciate that others may feel much more strongly about the "dumbing down" of the overall content and community than I do, and for those folks joining an instance that outright defederates is a great option.

Folks are quick to tell people how they should be using Lemmy. "Don't sign up for one of the big instances, you should use a small one instead because federation" is a big one - but there's a lot of appeal in this model with being signed up to the instances generating the majority of the content the broader community is consuming because it makes finding that content easier than it otherwise would be. My hope is that the larger instances like lemmy.world will at least test the waters with Threads federation to see what it actually does to the community before taking the step of defederation, because right now those large instances are what's feeding the rest of the rest of Lemmy.

As it stands, having those large instances federated with Threads and having smaller communities defederated seems like a best of both worlds scenario, because a small instance defederating with Threads won't lose out on the other content being generated by those larger instances, but those who want to trudge through the mire of mass appeal can do so in one place.

It's most likely a combination of both. I'm not a huge fan of the divisive "normies" vs "whatever the hell we are" stance, but Reddit became what it is because it was poorly designed from the beginning to handle how rapidly it needed to scale. It was never envisioned when the project started as an internet killing behemoth, but ultimately that's what it became. Without in-built tools to manage that growth, Reddit succeeded because the community willed it to be and in spite of its own codebase.

What's happened to it now is likely correlated to a number of factors:

• Significant user growth as the popularity of the site among habitual internet users grew over time
• Positioning within popular culture - namely the practice of appending Google search queries with 'reddit' to improve results, which is common among people who otherwise don't browse the site at all
• Unchecked bot traffic with limited mechanisms to control or curtail the propagation of duplicative, low effort / value, incorrect, harmful, or misleading information on a massive scale
• A philosophical pivot from being a community driven by community to a company driven by a desire for profits
• Algorithmic manipulation of how content is displayed to maximize advertiser return at the expense of organic community dynamic shifts a combination of 1- a rapidly grown userbase, 2- positioning within popular culture (vis a vis, appending Google search queries with reddit to improve the results is common even among people who otherwise don't use Reddit)
• The hurt feelings of a CEO with an easily bruised ego

I think the barrier to entry also helps a bit. The folks willing to put up with the rough edges that Lemmy has are also likely willing to participate with the intent of making Lemmy a success rather than just "hangers on" as it were. With a 1600% growth in "active" user population, there are definitely a ton of lurkers, yet. Once it becomes more approachable, we'll see if the community feeling that Lemmy has begins to tarnish and fade as the volume of interaction and content rises.

Basically it works like this:

Instances A, B, and C are federated initially. When a user posts on Instance A, users on Instances B & C can see and interact with the post directly. Any comments they make will be sent back to Instance A as the "home" instance for that content.

Now let's say Instance A decides they don't care for the type of interaction they're getting from Instance C's users and decides to block - or defederate - Instance C.

To users on instance A, nothing changes other than new posts and comments from users on Instance C will no longer show up. To users on Instance B, nothing changes other than new comments from users on Instance C won't appear in posts they interact with on Instance A. However, for Instance C, things are suddenly branched.

On Instance C, any posts that were created prior to defederation still exist in Instance C's record. However, any comments that users on Instance C commit to those posts will no longer be distributed to users on Instances A or B, because Instance A maintains the "primary" record of the post. Similarly, Instance C's users will not receive updated comments from users on Instance A OR Instance B, because again, Instance A is what determines which comments appear in federated instances. Furthermore, new posts created on Instance A will no longer show up in users' feeds on Instance C. From the moment of defederation, Instance C's copies of all posts on Instance A are now distinct, and the only new comments or updates they will receive will be from local users on Instance C.