Hexbear federation megathread
CrypticCoffee @ CrypticCoffee @lemm.ee Posts 1Comments 145Joined 2 yr. ago
Ah, so that is what you are doing. Thanks for explaining it.
Claims I am a liar, and a hypocrite.
"if you reply with more ad hominem’s I’m happy to consider your logical arguments defeated." Thanks.
You don't. You are aware you can block communities? You don't need to defederate it to not see it, and you are on world, so this does not concern you, at all. Are you even fully aware of Lemmy and how it works?
I agree with you that Freedom of speech is often used as a dogwhistle to be able to be offensive for some right wingers. Ignoring the connotations of it that it has picked up recently, I fundamentally believe in the principle of it. If your full experience of it is that, maybe you don't have a fundamental grounding in the concept outside social media.
The fact you suggest I am bad faith shows your insecurity in your argument. I'll help you out. I'm a british leftie (democratic socialist), opposed to capitalism and cannot stand tankies (apologists for atrocities). I hope Ukraine rise up against the tyranny they are facing, and I think counties shouldn't be buying cheap goods from China which are made with blood such as through genocide of Ugyher's. To square the circle. Free Palestine. You've made clear assumptions on who I am, and oh boy, are you so so wrong.
Of course, you tried to go ad hominen, and apply false assumptions about my character because logically, you have nothing to reasonable to counter my points. Ironically, you tried to use a weak meme to backup a flimsey argument, which has been a criticism leveled at Hexbear folk. Come back if you want to debate the points, otherwise, if you reply with more ad hominem's I'm happy to consider your logical arguments defeated.
One point I'll add that I think needs saying is that these folk set up after CTH got banned from reddit. They were pushed into an echo chamber against their choice. It's been years now, and they've got used to that echo chamber and how they behave around each other. Federating means that culture that they have been used to for years is now not the only way to operate and could be problematic for them. It will take some time to bed in, and realise low effort in joke meme's just won't work. They will be outside their comfort zones and it could be disconcerting, but will learn to adjust. Some quicker than others.
The point I am making is that initial impressions may not reflect the behaviour 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year or 2 years down the line. Do we believe that people should be pushed to the fringe in echo chambers, or do we believe that maybe reddit's content policies are probably more geared to atmosphere and money than what is correct for an online discussion forum?
Perhaps some would even realise that instance isn't right for them, and while they can interact with it, and have that freedom they feel more at home with general purpose instances.
Why would I sign up to a community I don't agree with? I'm just not that much of a snowflake and think freedom of speech is important.
Seeing views other than your own makes you more confident in your own views and your ability to challenge them. Echo chambers existing in other social media isn't good. I moved away from reddit and don't want Lemmy to replicate the worst of it.
Why should everyone sign up the multiple accounts because your want to impose your views on others?
Maybe they need to educate them on what genocide is, and why it is a genocide. I'm firmly in the federate camp and I'm a British leftie, that cannot stand Putin or the CCP, but I will challenge those, like I challenge the right wingers and the atrocities they commit. We are all human, and we are all brothers and sisters. Fake political borders mean nothing if it's used to justify atrocities against people. This include Uyghur's, Palestinians, in Tigray, in Yemen, in Tibet, in Myanmar and the list goes on. Can we just stop screwing people who are different to our own?
Thank you for your candour, and much respect for you going against what could have been personally easy for you to do. Your adherence to your principles over your emotions and personal experiences show a really strong character.
This instance is my go to, recommended instance. You've shown great technical leadership and now you're showing leadership in moderation. If people don't want to see hexbear, they have a choice in .world or beehaw (who seem to defederate quicker than Chelsea putting in a bid for a player they've just heard of). The fact that .ee can differentiate gives users that freedom to choose.
I do think that those opposed to federation with hexbear are a loud minority and using the same arguments as was applied against lemmygrad and lemmy.ml. In many cases they aren't nuanced views, just recycled lines repeated. It's so frequently and so similar, I have wondered if it's brigading. Is this people who were on exploding heads that are still angry and trying to get even?
Please ignore the initial hot response you'll get, and give people time to come to terms with and accept what you've said. They often push and push and push until you yield, and you need to keep strong to maintain this as your choice, which it should be. Even if you do defederate later, do it on your terms and based on clear criteria of what you feel is right. Many will agree with my view, but don't always wade in on debates. Often the ones that respond are the ones that are most emotionally agitated. I am responding to show support for you and what you have been through, and thank you for your transparency. I respect your integrity.
For disclosure: I am a leftie, but personally opposed to communism. I am opposed to authoritarianism on both sides of the political spectrum. I welcome debate with people that differ from them views. I'm already frequently immersed in debate with Americans that have a very different view of capitalism, and I can live with that. I ain't a snowflake, and I don't endorse cancel culture (I do feel a whiff of irony here and I think it's important to raise that rhetoric the right often throw at at the left, because if you believe if free speech, you believe in free speech).
Well if you like .world because they defederated. Great. It gives people an actual choice. You have your instance with your desired federation policy. I have mine. Don't take my freedoms away. Why do you have skin in the game here? I think I've seen hexbear content twice since I started on Lemmy during the API blackout.
Ah, so IBM are in control of Red Hat.
I think it seems the timescale to pretend you aren't going to change anything is 2-5 years.
Don't expect anything from these big corps, just fork (if you really must), and move on.
It absolutely used to suck performance wise since I used an S4 for about 2 years. Since then, it's been great. As someone who used to dislike the performance, and now loves it, even over chromium stuff, I can safely suggest your oversimplified opinion is without any real basis. Sucks is such a vague word, and I guess it stops you having to detail and rationalise your personal opinion.
It's always been great on the desktop.
For default search.
I'm sure you're aware Firefox isn't in the search market. They are in the browser market and need to fund browser development. They've used Yahoo in the past and will go with whatever deal gives the best value. They could go with Bing if they wanted.
Funding from them does not mean control, and your insinuation is misleading and false.
If you start posting, people will join in as they no longer feel the community is dead. Just takes people to make the first move. It's a bit like starting a fire. A bit of work at first, but once alight, you can throw the occasional log on the fire.
"we do not process email content to serve ads" looks very specific. We don't process emails to serve you ads. It doesn't say they don't process ads to understand better what is relevent to you. It is also a very specific word, serve. Serving means displaying, but it doesn't necessarily mean profiling or targetting.
Ads are shown based on: "ads that were selected to be the most useful and relevant for you". So, they're saying they don't directly do that, but it doesn't cover indirect processing that would feed into this.
These people are very clever, and hire very clever lawyers that could easily demonstrate this in a court, so they could use that information and still meet the requirements of the policy.
Considering the astounding level of information gained from Android that feeds into their tech, it would be quite naive to believe they've ring fenced email as something they don't touch. Google still serve very relevant content to people that don't use search and don't stay logged into email. I cannot imagine it's a fluke. Email is a very expensive game to be in when you're insinuating that all they want is to be an identity provider to assist in tracking web interactions.
Proton mail have a cloud storage facility. It is limited amount without a paid subscription though.
"dedicated White knight for GIMP", another ad hominem, and probably showing a clear indication of your erm... questionable views.
"Your best counterarguments are to either attack the person you disagree with directly". You cannot even see the hypocrisy.
"If you want to actually discuss this do it in good faith or stop wasting our time." Right back atcha....
Weak, you cannot debate any of my points, so you're going for the ad hominem. Ironic that you call me out for logical fallacies...
It's a different tool. Krita is for painting. GIMP is for image manipulation.
I'm assuming you're not a professional programmer though, as professional programmer salaries are much higher. If Krita does more, it's though sacrificing time, giving it away free. Not everyone is in a position to do that. You either pay for good developers, or hope for the sacrifice.
Maybe I'll try your approach and just bash projects, I'm sure that's productive and helps open source improve. Feels a wee bit negative though...
"I don’t like the insinuation that anyone who claims to have problems with Firefox must be bots."
I did not say this, multiple people have interpreted it this way. It's a little defensive. I said there is a targetted campaign against it where every time it is brought up it is trashed. You may be be a genuine person who is also trashing it, but that doesn't mean there isn't also a targetted campaign at play. I just find it hard to believe that some folk hate FOSS projects so much they have to smash it every time it's brought up. Sounds exhausting.
There is a difference between "it's great software, but i've notice a few issues" and "this project is trash". The second is posted purely with the intent of trying to dissuade people from using it, and all they do is keep people using Chrome, which I think we can all agree has bigger issues.
https://www.gimp.org/news/2021/07/27/support-gimp-developers-sustainable-development/
GIMP getting around $2k dollars a month or a bit more:
138,000 euro MONTLY contribution.
A wee bit of a difference in funding. There are alternatives to GIMP, not really as much for Blender. They cannot be compared. GIMP probably couldn't afford a UI developer if they tried. You're looking at least £3k pcm for someone who isn't punishing themselves.
Do you want to tell me what sort of voodoo magic GIMP do to match the resources Blender get? Your opinions are based in feelings, not reality. You may hate GIMP, you may hate the UI, you may want the project to fail and take that mission as keyboard crusader, but it's unfortunately just not a realistic position, but hey, your feelings can be unrealistic if they want to be. You can feel what you want. Some of us hate big corporations and injustice, others, it seems hate free software projects built by volunteers.
Yup. British leftie here. I don't like NATO, or trust it, but it has a purpose to serve, and the last few years have definitely demonstrated it. I don't think any sane minded person could not justify Putin's actions in Ukraine without tying themselves in knots. White NATO has unreasonably expanded against their word in recent years, raising cities to the ground is never justified, attacking civilians and constantly hitting civilian infrastructure is never justified. It's a horrific speed run on collecting all war crimes, it seems.