[Tankies'] positioning, further to the left than subreddits like r/communism, r/socialism, and r/Anarchism
Bruh r/communism is unapologetically gonzaloist, they're even further 'left' than we are lol
However, when it comes to everyday societal challenges that are usually points of interest for the left wing—like policing, climate change, healthcare, housing, and workers’ rights—tankies seem less engaged.
Because we've settled these questions already. Police is a tool of the state, climate change is never going to be fixed under capitalism, healthcare should cover everything and be free for everyone, same for housing, workers' rights should be the basis of the socialist state. Also we don't want to dox ourselves by talking about local issues.
They often opt to use the nomenclature ‘Communist Party of China (CPC)’—Beijing’s preferred language—over the more colloquial ‘CCP’.
I didn't want to get into the language of the article, rather focusing on its shoddy research and understanding of communism, but... colloquial according to whom? The official term is "Beijing's preferred language" and the term you and your pals who don't speak a word of Chinese is better somehow?
Tankies have a tendency towards Stalinism. In our topic analysis, we find that tankies give more prevalence to topics related to Stalin compared to other far-left communities we analyse
Stalin died over half a century ago and he's still making liberals quake in their boots at the mere mention of his name 🫡
For instance, the way tankies discuss Khrushchev’s attempts to reduce Stalin’s influence, or “de-Stalinisation,” suggests a certain fondness for Stalin’s era.
You could literally have figured this out by just talking to a 'tankie'. You did not need gas-guzzling APIs and scripts to learn that.
An example comment from tankies on Zelensky: “Putin and our comrades in Ukraine are going to kill all the US financed nazi scum and hopefully hang Zelensky while they’re at it. Let’s go Brandon!”
Top tier shitpost and this dweeb doesn't even get it lmao, it is completely lost on him.
Our toxicity analysis also indicates that tankies are more likely than other far-left groups to post antisemitic content targeting Jews.
Absolutely no reference or figure forwarded to illustrate that very bold statement.
Tech companies must recognise and respond to the adeptness of groups like tankies in evading moderation efforts. Developing advanced content moderation tools that can detect and mitigate the spread of extremist rhetoric, irrespective of its political orientation, should be a priority. Collaborative endeavours between researchers and tech platforms can lead to the development of more robust and unbiased moderation systems. In this digital age, where platforms remarkably influence political discourse, it is imperative to understand and address all forms of online extremism to ensure a safer digital environment for all.
This is the most chatGPT conclusion of them all. You also haven't proven or even set out to demonstrate that 'tankies' are "adept at evading moderation" whatsoever, and are essentially saying you don't believe in free speech, which is decidedly not very liberal.
Hey Global Network, you know you can just send me a DM and I'll explain everything you want to know? Why does nobody ever do that? Is this how 'research' is conducted nowadays?
Most of them are patsocs! I found one that was well-balanced in all that, who gave praises to both. I think they're wrong about Eddie bc MWM participated in a discussion with Haz, did something with Hinkle (don't remember what exactly rn) and just the other day posted a Rainer Shea article. MWM is getting people to patsocism under the guise of being fair to everyone.
You recognize them instantly bc like lemmings they show up instantly and clog your notifs.
If you mean on the page I agree some of the wording could be made a little bit more accurate, but everything is sourced (albeit at the end of long sentences). An editor actually went through some of it to clarify the sentences that could be clarified. For us it's definitely an exercise in understanding why it's important to be accurate and not let personal bias, but with that said (just in case MWM sees this or whatever lol) we still stand by what was and is written. The clarifications removed words like "often [called for collaboration]" since we only have one source for it. If we got another source for it we would be able to bring back the word often. So mostly small stuff.
The actual sentence would be we eventually get to the right line if we don't have it yet, but it didn't fit in the char limit. It's a small difference too.
Since we have so many editors from all over the world and from all backgrounds we can be informed on all issues. I can't count the times I asked editors to explain what's happening in their countries or in their region.
It's our biggest strength and we improve our line constantly due to having this access. I can't count the times we changed something on the wiki (which reflects our line; e.g. whatever the wiki says is what ProleWiki believes) and improved it. Like you said we're an encyclopedia, we have to do this.
We literally have a better line than so many parties in the West, and they don't like being reminded of it. If we were a party we would be bigger than some of them because some of those are tiny and limited to a city. They think we owe them their puff piece and should be nice to them by default. It's this independence from all organizations and personal ego that lets us improve. We even recognize for example that we had a patsoc admin and reflected on that to improve and not let this happen again. It led us to changing our principles etc. and we talk about it openly.
I criticize my own party too, and we don't criticize solely US parties but it's always the Statesians that have a problem with it lol. Nobody else has ever dramatized on Twitter for it. It's very American to make a scene over nothing.
We have a better decol line from having Indigenous editors than almost all Turtle Island parties do. We have a better line on the DPRK than foreign parties because we have a Korean editor. We have excellent knowledge of European politics, which many people still don't look at (preferring the suzerain US politics), as we have many European editors.
With that said, we do note factual info (like party programme, date of founding, etc) and we also note successes. We don't want to be out there writing hit pieces specifically. And if their line improves, we change the article. But with 3000 pages and counting, sometimes we might need someone to point it out because we don't monitor all pages. Even I don't know all the pages we have as more get created every day.
In the past we've had someone ask us in DMs to remove a picture they appear in from one of our articles as, they said, that picture was taken under false pretenses and doesn't represent them. We said sure and changed it. That's the proper way to get things changed on the wiki. Imagine if they had made a thread about the picture being used, and like we wouldn't even know who this person was and their name, it just suddenly pops up as if you're being bad faith for having a picture you found on Google to illustrate a page, you know what I mean?
Blasting it out on twitter to get a gotcha is just whiny behavior, boring ass white kid behavior throwing a tantrum over people disagreeing with him. I'm saying this personally lol, as we said in the thread ProleWiki doesn't engage in pointless drama and we're gonna leave it at that. If he wants to compile a list of edits he would like made to the article and send it our way we would look at it though and open up the editor.
We let anyone request an account which is then democratically voted on by the 'trusted' editors (editors who have been here for over a month and participate actively), so we're not a closed group either. We're not fully open, but anyone can request an account and, provided they see themselves in our principles don't lie about their intentions (like in any party), can get their account accepted.
To bounce off what you said I think it's part of the cult of mediocrity that I talk about sometimes, but in relation to economics originally. They want to stay mediocre, they want to keep their wrong line because it hurts to admit you were wrong. We don't.
Yeah but remember they're patsocs, an admittedly small group, who relies on the fascistic "show of strength" to wow people, like fascists used to compete in sports and go to the gym, violence (strength) is beautiful in itself etc. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those accounts were alts for the same people.
With that said US comrades have to start taking this movement seriously because it's growing.
Thanks for taking the time to read it and your long comment 😀
The entire introduction is dedicated to explaining imperialism to people in a way that (I tried to) made sense to them. I didn't want to delve into the whole marxist terminology because I don't want to scare them off from reading a marxist article just yet lol. You're right that I didn't go into the TRPF though, I felt it was already long enough like that.
I'll have to check about the Mujahadeen, that article is so long and I wrote it in early December that I've forgot parts of it lol. Might have been I wasn't clear in the writing😵💫
Marx was the third ever sociologist, the first being Weber and the second I always forget his name. But this is historically attested to, it's not something I just pulled out of my ass lol
Bruh r/communism is unapologetically gonzaloist, they're even further 'left' than we are lol
Because we've settled these questions already. Police is a tool of the state, climate change is never going to be fixed under capitalism, healthcare should cover everything and be free for everyone, same for housing, workers' rights should be the basis of the socialist state. Also we don't want to dox ourselves by talking about local issues.
I didn't want to get into the language of the article, rather focusing on its shoddy research and understanding of communism, but... colloquial according to whom? The official term is "Beijing's preferred language" and the term you and your pals who don't speak a word of Chinese is better somehow?
Stalin died over half a century ago and he's still making liberals quake in their boots at the mere mention of his name 🫡
You could literally have figured this out by just talking to a 'tankie'. You did not need gas-guzzling APIs and scripts to learn that.
Top tier shitpost and this dweeb doesn't even get it lmao, it is completely lost on him.
Absolutely no reference or figure forwarded to illustrate that very bold statement.
This is the most chatGPT conclusion of them all. You also haven't proven or even set out to demonstrate that 'tankies' are "adept at evading moderation" whatsoever, and are essentially saying you don't believe in free speech, which is decidedly not very liberal.
That's right bucko, you're a tankie too.