Cris @ Cris_Color @lemmy.world

Hello, my name is Cris. :)

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Yes, and lots of peope who bought said car justifiably had no idea he was a fascist.

Yeah, but why do that when we can be sanctimoniously mean to others while feeling morally superior to everyone else?

Ideology built on pluralism and we're having debate about whether it's cool to be mean to people because they made a choice we don't like (with the fucking benefit of hindsight). Surely if we're mean to people it'll solve all our problems right???

Sorry clearly I'm no longer capable of engaging with people productively and should step away from the keyboard lol. I 100% agree. There are so many things worth our emotional energy. Bullying people and arguing why they deserve to be targeted maybe isn't one of them 🙃🙃🙃

I want off this ride lol.

The excuse is that that's a horrible financial decision for literally exactly zero benefit at a time where it's getting harder and harder to survive?????

I will never understand the insistence that is is good and right and justified to target people for random shit. Like making a bad purchase warrants being bullied or getting your shit vandalised.

I cannot fathom the system of priorities you seem to opperate under. Where performative gestures that cost you huge sums of money and don't accomplish anything are some kind of twisted social obligation because you bought a car from someone who turned out to suck more than anyone realized. And if you don't make that objectively bad life choice then you had it coming.

Thats fucking unhinged. Who does that help??? Go outside. Talk to your neighbors. Ground yourself in meaningful connections with other people. We wanna build socialism but have created a culture that seems to celebrate being emotionally incapable of building social bonds of any kind with anyone who isn't a mirror image of our every choice and priority. Shit makes me sad.

The first consumer Tesla models came out in 2010. 15 years ago. And even then not everyone keeps tabs on what's up with the CEO of the company they're buying a car from, and is "observing" whether they're being a crappy human.

He only became an actually important public figure to be aware of and pay attention to more recently. The whole discussion framing Tesla owners as bad people does exactly nothing to improve any of the problems we're facing, it just needlessly antagonizes people and makes them feel guilty for something they very well may have done cause they just care about the electrification of cars as a means towards a healthier environment.

The only real purpose it serves is 1) advertising how angry you are about the problem which is worthless, and 2) let's people tell themselves they're fighting the good fight and being a good person by antagonizing random people.

So much of left wing culture feels like it's about sanctimoniously labeling people villians because it let's us feel better about ourselves. Its worse than a waste of energy. I feel we can do better.

Lol, yeah I can't stomach a car with no knobs either. Objectively bad ux. No thank you lol.

Totally valid. You're not a bad person. People are just justifiably angry and it makes them better to find people who's head they can tell themselves it's okay to put on a pike.

It kinda feels like a big problem in very left leaning spaces that people would rather prioritize doing the thing that demonstrates their anger, or let's them take their anger out on someone, than actually think about what way of engaging with the problem would be productive 😅. Personally I find that super frustrating and think it's will guarantee we can't meaningfully address the rise of fascism

Anyway, hope you have a good day, take care! :)

Was. It was the best made electric car on the market. For a loooong time. For a long time there were barely any other choices at all, nevermind good choices.

The market has now caught up, and elon musk has announced himself to be a Nazi. Exactly zero good reasons left to buy a Tesla. But it explicitly was the best option by a landslide for quite a while, assuming you could afford one.

As someone who was really excited about electric cars I sat waiting for a long time trying to see when they would have meaningful competition. Its there now, but it sure as hell didn't used to be.

Edit: double checked and the first consumer models of tesla came out in 2010. They're that old. I think people who weren't paying attention to cars and EVs might not have realized just how long there were no meaningful competitors.

That is a perfectly valid frustration lol. I've not noticed that but I can empathize with noticing patterns in which brand owners drive like dicks.

Yep, totally agree. In the same price bracket I've heard good things about Rivian. But I really haven't followed electric cars now that there are a lot of good ones, I just remember following the progression of tesla and wondering when other companies would start producing alternatives and catch up.

If they did that prior to it being widely known that he's a fascist I'm not sure how that's supposed to reflect their moral character. And sure Elon has always been a dumbass but so is basically every CEO, and you don't see us going around saying "you bought a Ford, you're a horrible human". The only difference is that Elon is a public figure, and now a public Nazi. But he hasn't always been a public nazi, and buying one of his cars before he was doesn't meaninfully reflect on the character of the person who made that choice.

A lot of people liked Kanye before his manic decent into "Hitler was a good dude actually" and I wouldn't bash people for owning Kanye music, especially from before that progressive mental break (Progressive as in incremental and progressing over time, not politically progressive)

It's not really "sympathy" to not attack people for making a choice they couldn't have known would support an especially horrible CEO, rather than just a regularly horrible one.

You're not wrong that they have lots of issues though those build quality problems did go wildly under reported for a looong time, and there wasn't exactly any meaningful EV competition. Plus some issues have definitely gotten worse over time, they did used to be a bit better. The removal of sonar to focus solely on optical cameras being an obvious choice

But I don't know that it's really productive to bash people because they made a suboptimal purchase. The ethical argument I understand, but isn't really applicable to a lot of tesla owners

That's entirely fair. Though I don't know that many people research the CEO of the company they're buying a car from, and I imagine if we did we'd not have a huge number of options left 😅

That article is from 2025, many people bought their teslas at a time when the largest well known "competitor" was the Nisan leaf, a car built with less engineering competency/care than a tin can of beans. The batteries have no active cooling system meaning that one of the most expensive components in the car is going to loose a meaningful amount of lifespan every time you use it, degrading an already crap range

Now the market has lots of good options, but there was a hoooot minute where Tesla was way ahead of anyone else and the best option an environmentally conscious shopper who wanted a new car or an electric car could choose (since EVs weren't widely available on the used market until we got enough of them. Whole convo to be had about whether it was better to buy used or a new electric but that's beside the point)

Edit to add context: the first consumer Tesla models came out in 2010

This is less a response exclusively to this post and more the Tesla discourse broadly

I get we really wanna find people to hate because it makes us feel better about how deeply broken our world is but a lot of folks bought teslas long before we knew Elon would undergo his transformation into a public nazi.

Having bought a product from a person who later turns out to be a huge piece of shit doesn't make you a bad person. And cars are major financial choices that depreciate MASSIVELY the moment they're yours.

I get we all wanna say "Tesla expensive therefore they're rich and they can afford to blow another massive sum of money on another car to replace the tesla", but like... A) lots of Tesla drives are not rich. They're the exact people we have to remind that they are still dirty poors compared to the actual rich people that we need to tax way more. And even for people pretty well off, blowing that kind of money on a purely performative, symbolic replacement of a product they already gave Elon money for is an objectively dumb choice.

We have mocked conservatives for dumb boycotts where they burn their shoes or dump out all their beer from a brand they no linger respect, but we turn around and set the expectation that others with a product we don't like follow exact same logic for what is the second largest category of purchase most people will ever make in their life.

For all the people who will never be able to afford a house because we live in a capitalist hellscape it's the most expensive category of purchase there is. And it depreciates massively the instant it became theirs.

I'm all for mocking cybertruck owners, they bought a shit car, from a shit man, and more importantly they gave him a lot of money knowing how dangerous and horrible he is.

But owning a Tesla doesn't immediately make you a bad person and a fascist. For a lot of people it means you bought the best made electric car on the market because you care about the environment.

At some point I will but I'm not currently ready to make that transition. My friend and I are using Duolingo together and the social aspect plus the familiarity of the structure have been really helpful

They walked back the ai thing (at least that's my understanding about it, I think there was a statement about it, not that that means much) but it's very clear it wont be something that's likely to work for me long term

But for the time being the structure that it provides and its format has helped me build a routine and actually stay pretty consistent, and I don't think I'm at a place yet where I can transition away from it

But I have checked out the Foss options and there were some neat supplemental tools on f-droid, and at some point I'll go through the play store and try out direct alternatives

Thank you! 😊

This seems like it'll break things like revanced, which honestly makes me sad mostly for Duolingo :(

Really hope folks find a way of spoofing this too. I'm hoping to switch to a custom ROM in the future and this doesn't bode super well

Any chance we could get a normal link too? My client doesn't like the Lemmyverse redirect link

McALLEN, Texas (AP) — The Trump administration has continued releasing people charged with being in the country illegally to nongovernmental shelters along the U.S.-Mexico border after telling those organizations that providing migrants with temporary housing and other aid may violate a law used to prosecute smugglers.

I had a hard time following the title, heres some extra context (first paragraph of the article)

Curious if you're running the comic font for accessibility reasons. It's not my taste aesthetically but I've heard its great for folks with dyslexia

Lovely pannel! Font might not be my cup of tea but it's a great looking setup!