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There are mountains of papers written on the success of Socialist and Socialist-adjacent structures. Worker Co-operatives are more stable and provide greater happiness to the Workers within, for example. Democracy within the workplace also has great levels of success when tried, and we've found that liberal democracy surrounding 2 party systems is far less democratic than multiparty, ranked choice systems.

You deliberately argued that you must wait for something to exist before you are willing to adopt it, rather than change any given situation.

Now we reach the pinnacle of your argument: "I'm personally okay in the given system, so I don't care if other people wish to change it." It's fine if everyone agrees with you, but what happens if you get out voted? Are you still going to argue for maintaining the status quo as disparity rises and climate change dooms us all?

That's certainly a dodge. Keep bending over backwards to justify US Imperialism, one day it might bite you.

Fair enough, but again, you somehow had even less nuance and pulled the classic bit of feigning superiority.

Edit: oof, you unironically suggest Sowell in another comment as a good resource. Looks like I'm correct, the superiority was indeed completely unfounded.

This would be cool to see! Lots of ways to represent historically unrepresented people in alternative settings.

You weren't replying to the meme, you were replying to someone else in the origin of this fork of the comment chain. I'm implying that you in particular have no nuance.

It's not hard to see that the US has explicit power over South Korea, regardless of what the citizens want. You're bending over backwards to justify US Imperialism.

Not quite analogous. We know many problems with Capitalism, and we know many aspects of leftist organization absolutely work. We know what parts historically did not, and we also know that these issues are far from necessary for building a leftist structure.

You're arguing that there's no point in improving the plane and fixing what is broken when we still have cars and horses.

For your point that it could be that the screws can never be tightened, or a solution without screws cannot be found, is not an argument against tightening the screws or coming up with an alternative method, despite pretending that's a valid reason alone. In fact, in Engineering, it can be known what forces will be applied to screws in flight and as such it can be predicted what is required.

Essentially, you can use previous knowns to solve for unknowns, rather than assuming everything is simply a blind guess.

Yes. They were "democratic" before 1980.

I understand why South Korean parties bend the knee, but your original point is wrong and you've shifted.

Hot take: Starfield isn't "dated," it's actually a much better RPG than anything they've made since Morrowind. However, because they can't rely on the world building and writing of people who have either left the company or worked for a different company they acquired the IP for, Starfield has highlighted just how bad Bethesda game design and writing truly is when done in a wholly original manner.

It's still going to be a modder paradise.

I think "dated" is a terrible concept to apply to game design, despite being able to divide FPS games into pre- and post- Half-Life, boomer shooters are experiencing another boom.

However, Bethesda game design is simply "bad" in my opinion. The RPG mechanics are very surface level and uninteresting, typically an end-game character plays similarly to a beginning character but bullets hit harder or other such styles. Contrast that with games like Cyberpunk, and you unlock new ways to actually interact with combat in meaningfully unique manners.

That's a very underdeveloped point, but it's in the right direction I believe.

You truly don't care to acknowledge that parties are not the people, do you? That only furthers my point, that South Korea cannot go against the US.

I never said there was constant massacring, I said South Korea has had numerous issues with massacring their population in modern history. This is factually correct, you even pretended it was limited to the 50s and 60s, and you still ignore President Yoon's fascist practices.

You truly have nowhere to stand on.

I'm not doing a no true Scotsman, or saying things don't count. I'm saying that you cannot claim something to be a failure wholesale without analyzing what broke.

If you have a plane, and it fails because the screws became loose on the wing, you know what went wrong and have an idea of how to fix it, even if the results were catastrophic. You cannot then say that planes cannot exist.

Neither of those are what leftists say. Capitalism doesn't work because of the structure itself, you have problems like the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall, and the inherent exploitation within. You cannot have Capitalism without exploitation, and you can't have Capitalism with democratization of production, even if you had a perfectly selfless Capitalist, it still wouldn't be democratic and would still have the same structural issues.

Similarly, Communism isn't "people working for the common good," it's people working to improve their own material conditions. Just because production is democratized doesn't mean it depends on people working for absolutely no reason.

There are non-strawman arguments you could make, but this ain't it.

You've been routinely wrong, and keep moving goal posts. Have you been ignoring President Yoon's flirtation with fascism, and the specific targeting of minority populations, women, and disabled people? Do you believe South Korea's history has no bearing on modern day politics?

South Korea is fundamentally controlled by the Chaebol and the US, despite protests against it.

Is pointing out the numerous issues with South Korea and the sovereignty of its citizens akin to being pro-North Korea? I don't think so.

Do you think parties are the will of the people? Especially considering the aforementioned anti-democratic massacres, such as Gwang-Ju in 1980, not 1950 or 1960?

You don't need a PhD to figure out that you clearly have a pro-American bias and don't actually care about historical accuracy.

What history? What economics? Vague gesturing and feigning superiority without actually saying anything is peak.

Edit: turns out the economics was just Sowell all along, lol. Guess we have an AnCap over here.

Materialism is quite literally the position that history is shaped by physical, material conditions, and reality, rather than the will or thoughts of individuals.

Claiming that I don't understand what Materialism is when you've been arguing against Primitive Communism as though it's Modern Anarchism is absurd.

Which part was the historical fallacy? The part where I gave explicit examples of both the ROK and US massacring civilians, or the part where I mentioned that South Korea has major issues with rising fascist movements, such as under current president Yoon? The same president who has targeted women and disabled people to rile up the increasingly conservative male voterbase, similar to how Trump rose to power in the US?

North Korea isn't a good state, not in any meaningful capacity, but neither is South Korea. Additionally, the ROK was modeled by the Americans, the Korean intelligence agency is literally the KCIA. The ROK is essentially a US puppet state, they are allowed to govern themselves until what they do goes against the US.

Materialism is doing away with the idea that history is shaped by ideas and will, rather than material conditions. It isn't going against proposed theory by targeting unrelated theory.

You're arguing that you cannot make predictions or try new things, despite validity of the theoretical basis, on the grounds that it hasn't yet been done.

You're definitely not getting it.

That's actually ahistorical. There were numerous pro-democracy protests, and subsequent massacres by the ROK. Gwang-ju is perhaps the most famous example of the ROK slaughtering countless civilians protesting for democracy, but it happened during wartime as well. Korea's modern history, North and South, is intensely complicated and messy, and to pretend it's a simple matter of the US protecting the defenseless South Koreans from the big bad North Koreans is just as wrong as saying that North Korea is 100% good and just.

There's also the No Gun Ri Massacre, by which American soldiers murdered hundreds of South Korean men, women, and children.

South Korea in particular has a history of military dictatorship, coups, and massacres of pro-democracy civilians, and even in recent years is still having trouble with fascism.