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I don't like your attempt to provide cover for a convicted apartheid state engaged in the process of genocide.

So you do know of the rape camp and the systemic torture camps?

Why did you call it misinformation if you knew what I was talking about?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/

https://theintercept.com/2024/08/09/israel-prison-sde-teiman-palestinian-abuse-torture/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-30/ty-article/.premium/doctor-who-saw-abused-gazan-detainee-i-couldnt-believe-an-israeli-jailer-could-do-this/00000191-0436-df85-a399-ed36f4800000

Feel free to do even the most basic level of research about the apartheid government you defend.

They have a fucking video of the gangrape.

EDIT: and before you accuse me of spreading misinformation by calling Israel an apartheid country:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/19/world-court-finds-israel-responsible-apartheid

But all these different organizations are Hamas, right?

I literally posted a link, so others don't have to determine of over cherry picked my quote that shows my assertion.

You don't believe anything that goes counter to your love for an apartheid government.

Israel has kidnapped far more children if you consider the west bank children held without a judicial process, only a military tribunal without counsel where only the testimony of the military personal who kidnapped the children matters.

So, either way you have to believe kidnappers.

Or do Palestinian children not have the privilege to be 'kidnapped'?

Rape and torture camp as reported by haaretz: sde teinman

I'm not spreading misinformation.

Edited to fix spelling of the name of the torture camp.

When will biographies be posted of the children being murdered in the west bank or Gaza?

Do their lifes somehow matter less?

As stated by the government that has been caught lying more than telling the truth in this conflict that also runs rape and torture camps as reported by their own media.

How many children have been taken hostage by the IDF from the West Bank without trial or judicial process, but instead by a military tribunal without a right to representation and the only testimony that matters is that of the soldiers that kidnapped them in the first place?

Is it in the thousands? I think it is.

They have children too.

Israel could stop bombing at any time.

You're right about the ICJ vs ICC which is a mistake I don't ordinarily make. My only execute for that is I woke up in the middle of the night from a migraine.

Your quotes however are extremely cherry picked, and your description of what they mean is absolutely wrong.

Part of the case was about establishing South Africa's right to bring the case, but part of it was to determine the plausibility of the charge.

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227078791/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-south-africa

The International Court of Justice has found it is "plausible" that Israel has committed acts that violate the Genocide Convention. In a provisional order delivered by the court's president, Joan Donoghue, the court said Israel must ensure "with immediate effect" that its forces not commit any of the acts prohibited by the convention.

Donoghue said the court cannot make a final determination right now on whether Israel is guilty of genocide. But she said that given the deteriorating situation in Gaza, the court has jurisdiction to order measures to protect Gaza's population from further risk of genocide.

But, I'm sure NPR is Hamas, right?

It's not an opinion piece. It was labeled a correspondence, and isn't peer reviewed, but the methodology for measuring dead in conflicts where the ability to make such counts is, and they used the conservative side of those calculations. The authors didn't express regret, merely that some people made claims the article didn't make.

Such methods are required, because Israel has intentionally bombed every hospital in Gaza to make counting the dead difficult, if not impossible, then insulting the methods required to actually estimate the dead. It sure would be nice if Israel didn't intentionally destroy all civilian medical infrastructure and send many of the doctors to a torture camp so we could have some actual numbers.

But, that's the point, isn't it? That's also the point of my comment you didn't bother addressing at all because you know there is no moral defense, even though you're willing to try and justify the murder of children.

Concentrating people in an enclosed area, and removing their access to food, water, and medicine is both the most common and the most efficient method governments have used historically engaged in the process of genocide.

And starvation kills children first, with the youngest dying the earliest.

It isn't astounding that you (presumably, based on your instance) are from a country whose highest proportion of people charged with antisemitism are Jewish people protesting the genocide.

Any country that intentionally withholds food, medicine, and potable water from a population it considers problematic is a nation intentionally committing genocide.

It is, in fact, the most common, and efficient, form of genocide ever.

That is just one of the reasons the ICC, the organization literally with the legal authority to determine of some thing is genocide or not determined that Israel is plausibly committing genocide.

You like to talk about truth and nuance a lot. Forgive me if I trust the literal genocide determining organization and not the self confident black and white statement og some asshole on the internet that loves to talk about nuance except when it comes to their own statements.

As to the systemic system of rape and torture, why don't you read Israels OWN fucking reporting on Sde Teiman.

Any nation that murders at least 100,000 children is fucking evil. And those are not Hamas's numbers. Those are the Lancet medical journals numbers. I'm not saying they are the most evil, as that would maybe be the British Empire, off the top of my head.

Then why are you trying to provide cover for a country actively engaged in systemized rape, torture, and Genocide?

This is a post where the obvious intent is to whitewash an attempt to murder aid workers by the IDF. Something that continually happens time and time again with every aid group because Israel explicitly doesn't want the aid coming in.

Questioning the motives of the poster trying to justify yet another atrocity is appropriate.

Because my country is directly enabling and, depending on the definition, participating in a genocide and there is no one I can vote for (who would likely win) who will do even the slightest thing to stop it.

Out of curiosity, are you American?

Because 'thoughts and prayers' has a very different implication here then it does elsewhere.

Good thing I didn't do that.

Remember, it is antisemitic to equate Israel with Judaism.

I instead asked if you support the war crimes of a country.

Stop giving antisemitic responses.

Would you have been one of the 65% of polled Israeli civilians that support the rights of soldiers to gang rape prisoners?

This is related to whether or not you're a moral person capable of rational discussion or a fascist rape camp supporter.

EDIT: you also didn't answer the question, which would suggest the answer to everyone else reading this. Most people reading your response are going to assume that you do support that, until you actually say you don't.

This bullshit answering a question with a question is an obvious deflection to everyone.

Also, are the soldiers who gangraped prisoners in jail, as would be the case in a government on the same continent as moral, or on news shows and game shows talking about how they're really a good person?