Contextual Idiot @ Contextual_Idiot @sh.itjust.works

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This hardly counts as a teaser, do they have nothing else to show yet? Isn't it supposed to be released next year?

Democracy takes work.

Using an off-site tool for voting trades our current problems for others. We would have no way to limit voting to only users of this instance, allowing anyone to brigade our votes.

Basically, the same problem as a single user making 100s of accounts to manipulate a vote.

I think instead we need to limit voting to user accounts of a certain age, and with X number of comments. We can all help with this by reporting accounts that are too young, or appear to have bot generated comments.

Until new tools are developed and built into Lemmy for voting, we'll all have to chip in. Because...

Democracy takes work.

I just don’t get it.

Block the c/TheDonald community. That’s it. That’s all you need to do.

When it gets no visits, no views, and only it’s handful of users meme-ing each other, it’ll die. One of the big reasons TheDonald took off on Reddit was because of all the attention it got.

So, don’t give them attention. Don’t feed the trolls.

I’m not saying to tolerate neo-nazis. But running from them isn’t exactly a time proven strategy, either. They will exist, and it’s up to all of us to remind them that their views are garbage.

If we want to have secret ballots for certain votes, like defederation, or removing a mod, this may be the tool to use. I'm not sure that Lemmy has the tools to do this here, where we ensure that only this instance's users can vote. Not yet, anyway.

I think if we drill down to the real issue here, it's really this: How much control should an instance have over what it's users see and interact with?

Some folks want to be the ones to decide for themselves what they see and interact with, with minimal to no interference by the admin.

Other folks don't want to see or deal with objectionable material, and want the admin to ensure they don't have to.

I think the answer is somewhere between, myself. As others have pointed out, botnet instances and instances with illegal material should be defederated without mercy. Instances with little to no moderation and users that are causing problems on other instances should be considered for defederation too.

Whether to consider other cases of defederation is where it gets greyer to me. An instance that has communities that post questionable stuff, but doesn't break that instances rules, is one such grey area. And to be clear, I'm making the case that those communities and questionable stuff live on that instance.

To other folks, that wouldn't be grey, and I guess that's what we're really discussing.

We're going to end up with sexy John Oliver posts, aren't we?

All kidding aside, I think this is a great idea. I would put in another caveat though, that only users from this instance can vote for rule changes. But we should definitely invite ideas from everyone across the fediverse.