ComradeSalad @ ComradeSalad @lemmygrad.ml

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This isn’t an “America is big” problem?

What is the population density of New York vs Moscow?

New York is 27,000 per square kilometer. Moscow is around 8.5 thousand.

Combine that extreme density with infrastructure that was built hundreds of years ago, and additionally several chokepoints at only a few major bridges and tunnels.

I’m not making excuses. I mean currently with the resources and systems available, it is not possible.

You’re right, the government does not care about public transit.

Do you think this is a group decision or something?

“Local incompetence? Lack of political will? Fuck off, I'm sure the people working 50 hours a week and poverty wage jobs are absolutely roaring with energy to fight for public transit.

Imagine blaming the people.

No poors allowed.

Those stations are crawling with cops as well. I have seen homeless people basically be beat to hell and dragged off for daring to enter those stations.

There are benches though, thankfully. Just good luck using them if you don’t look like you’re a multimillionaire.

Trust me. The city may as well not have a bus system. It exists in name only, and I would not trust it to get me anywhere.

I agree wholeheartedly, about the adoption, but those types of upgrades and repairs happen quickly and with minimal invasiveness as to not cause disruption. I was arguing against the wholesale shutting down of stations to run repairs and leave tens of thousands completely stuck and screwed over.

It’s like trying to find the good in apartheid South Africa. Something positive must be there (the music), but overall, it’s not good.

I disagree completely. Plus that's extremely vague, "Overall its not good". Ok and? Your solution was to abandon everything, so you don't seem like the best arbiter to make judgements like that. Also, that's still extremely dismissive and asinine. Discoveries, inventions, systems, and events in the US have completely reshaped several aspects of the world over the past 50 years for better of for worse. To try and associate that to a positive like South African music is bizarre. I'm sure South African music has had an equal effect on the world as the smartphone did, the literal internet, a long list of medical discoveries and drugs, breakthroughs and innovation across multiple sectors and so on.

How was that done? On the backs of workers who created and developed everything on the enormous list of accomplishments in the past 50 years. Does this mean the US is amazing? No. The system and leadership is still rotten to the core. But to say "Oops, can't think of a single thing", is extremely bad faith arguing.

Do you really think the working class of the US has not done anything? The list of negatives we associate with the US all come from it's system and leadership up above in some respect, not down below.

Because that is building a station in an area that did not previously have that form of transportation, and thus does not have a massive quantity of people that rely on it for daily survival?

What a fucking bizarre train of thought. Literally toddler logic, “Waaaah, the fix isn’t simple and easy so it might as well cease to be! Fuck all the working people that make up the population! Here’s an asinine reason why they all deserve to be thrown in the garbage!”

Also really? I despise the US too, and it’s leadership has been a force of immense evil, but you can’t think of a single positive thing someone in the US has done, or a single positive thing that has happened in the US in the past 50 years? Not a single thing?

Also why has China been able to accomplish so much? Their systems of organization. That’s it. The end. What else do you want to know?

That’s what the subway stations in many of the poorer Burroughs and underfunded areas look like. On the tip of Manhattan or throughout most of Queen the stations can be beautiful. Full granite and marble, extremely clean, new trains, and so on. Why? Those stations are used mostly by the ultra wealthy.

Fulton Station

World Trade Center Station

NYC public transit in the 70’s was like a Mad Max war zone.

I wish 😔

It sounds very easy on paper, but that suggestion is just horrifically infeasible. It’s not that it’s an inconvenience, it’s just much more complicated and logistically impossible then how you’re portraying it.

True, but logistically how would that be viable? Buses would be highly impractical on the vast majority of road due to traffic, and the sheer amount of people that would require shuttles, and what “other transportation”? That’s all that’s there is. People can’t afford cabs, Ubers, or cars, and the distance is to great (or just straight dangerous) to walk or bike.

You can’t just reverse decades of car centric and awful infrastructure with an easy fix.

That depends heavily on the Burrough. Plus there are several spots of the Bronx and Brooklyn that are complete dead zones because the stations are in poor working class areas, and not the ultra wealthy areas in Queens and Manhattan (where surprisingly enough the stations can be beautiful and well maintained because well…. Rich people serving their own)

Good luck getting that to ever happen in the United States. Also buses would be very impractical and near impossible to cover long distances.

Plus traffic.

As an edit: I’m not saying that busses are bad or impractical. They’re the best form of short range public transit. I’m saying that buses in the this scenario would be extremely impractical and logistically impossible to implement.

The people here have never driven through gridlocked rush hour traffic on the Manhattan or Brooklyn bridges, and think that a bus is going to magically make it to its destination without getting stuck for hours or chasing traffic jams on its own.

Where did I say that we should update because of inconvenience???

I’m saying that millions of people every day rely on these stations to get to work, school, stores etc, and it is to far to walk or bike; and many of them cannot afford a cab or Uber, let alone own a car.

I’m saying that it feels impossible to close down a station without disenfranchising a quite massive amount of people with no other options.

Also where did I mention safety at all?

This isn’t an issue of convenience; it’s an issue of “life or death”, “Oops sorry! Can’t get to your job anymore because the nearest station is closed? Tough luck!”

Also imagine comparing DC to New York lmaoooo

What kind of logic is that.

Your solution is that storing it for 80 years is bad because 1% is left, so let’s dump 100% right now????

I agree that the system is absolute dogshit in NYC, but how do you go about fixing that? Xinjiang had the benefit of being brand new, so there were no existing travelers, and it’s not like you can just close down a station in NYC and say “Oopsie; get fucked everyone who used this line/station, come back in a few weeks/months”.

It’s a lose lose.

Your location will be drone striked by the CIA in approximately 2 minutes

The choice is yours, but we surely don't mind you or your takes being here at all! If you do decide to fully go, I hope life is good for you!

Those on the right don’t think so at all.

To a lesser degree, neither do liberals as they despise the Bolshevik Revolution.

The choice is yours. Who do you want to associate with?

Honestly, it doesn't even fully matter. I could be Jewish, Romani, Slavic, Black. Other then ethnic groups, I could be handicapped, gay, Catholic, elderly, poor, chronically ill, and so on.

It doesn't matter, because all those groups and many more deserve extermination, slavery, to be experimented on, starvation, and death.

I hope you understand the point I am trying to make. But my personal ethnic group is Slavic. We were labelled as little better then rats, abominations, and racially unfit to exist as a people. We needed to be exterminated so that our land could be taken and used properly for expanding the Aryan race in "General Plan Ost". We were an disease, not people to them.

There are only those who support the oppressed, and those that support the oppressor. You cannot be both. Make your choice.