This hardly feels like proper humiliation on the US's part and way more like the United States is Crying that the PRC did not just bow down to the United States.
I cannot stand Liberals, I have been told now that it is the Sovereign right of nations to unilateraly pull out of any treaty they want without consequence, That China Mediating a treaty is worse than the US dictating the terms of a treaty they are not a part of, and that I am acting in bad faith and have my facts wrong for saying that Russia, a signatory to both Minsk Agreements, is a party to the Minsk agreements.
I mean I kinda expected the china thing, I could even if I squint a little have seen the Russia thing coming, but REALLY I cannot belive I have to explain that a nation cannot just leave treaties willy nilly
Except that isnt what was said what was said is that the United States will reject any peace treaty that does not include total Russian withdrawal, they are not just giving support in general, or to a point in particular, but dictating a term. This is a conflict that offically the US is not a party to and as such the US should not be making statements like this. Agian in my opinion it should not go farther than "The United States supports Ukraine in their efforrs for peace, and for all reasonable terms they put forward" if they go farther and they wanted to show it in support it would have been "As stated before, The United States suports the Ukrainian position, including the one mentioned by [offical X] on [Day y] that any peace would include total Russian withdrawl" given nither happened, it can only be taken as the US dictating terms for a thing that they have no buisness or right setting terms for
The end goal is the cessation of the war, but the fighting contenues untill a cesefire or peace treaty is negotiated and signed, and the war contenues untill said treaty is signed. A sad truth of war is while diplomats are haggling over words on a page the fighting still contues, the war ends when the negotiations end.
They say they want peace and are willing to hold talks, I am mot sure what your getting at, in no war ever has the beginning of peace talks been the cesation of the war, and how the war ends is determined by said peace talks, talks that of right bow are not happening.
Now if you are trying to argue that the mere act of trying to hold peace talks or offering to hold peace talks, or holding peace talks is taking a position in the war? I dont think we need to inform Switzerland that they have infact never been nutral in any conflict they mediated.
As for what China wants, they have stated all they want is peace many times, they do not have a horse in the race on who gets what, that makes them the ideal mediators.
The difference is china is merely acting as a medator, a nutural 3rd party whos job is to 1) host the negotiations 2) help the 2 sides truly hear each other and come to a compromise. If you listen to what China says about this and how they interact with Russia its in keeping with this role, that all they want is to see the fighting end. The United States by dictating terms has forfitted there ability to fufill this role, China however has sugested nor offered any terms, only a table to talk at.
If you really don't want China it doesn't have to be China, but they already have one side seated, and I would like to hear who else you would propose?
While I am at it, The PRC has been trying for months to broker peace and has Russia at the table, why doesn't the US let Ukraine go to the table and negotiate, The United States has no right to be king of the world and has no right to be setting any terms for these talks.
Why does the United States get absolutely any say in a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, there meddling stopped the last peace deals, and this is really none of their buisness. Let Ukraine set there terms and negotiate for themselves.
I have one argument personally against de-federating, and that is we still dominate the all page, and if we can spread that message. I don't think we can convert many people, but I do think that we can get some who stumble across Marxism Leninism, and that is something I think is valuable.
☭ Comrade Pup Ivy 🇨🇺 @ ComradePupIvy @lemmygrad.ml Posts 29Comments 357Joined 3 yr. ago
So by not following what the US says your a terrorist got it