CicadaSpectre @ CicadaSpectre @lemmygrad.ml

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I have considered that's part of it, that the revisionism is related to it. Makes me wonder if we'll quit admitting the Vietnam War was a bad thing as soon as that exits living memory... kinda scary to know when I'm dead, the bad shit we did will be erased from history books to trick future generations.

I'm just giving examples the libs use. Like I said, they ignore the details.

I still can't tell if my countrymen were always this indoctrinated and I just notice it more as an adult, or if I actually did watch things reach that point in real time. I swear it wasn't this bad a decade ago, but I was barely an adult then.

Surprising absolutely no one here. We all knew they'd blame it on Russia, just like we know most libs will happily oblige.

It really is. They all seem to be drinking the Koolaid from the same source, too, because I've met a wide variety of people who identify all over the political spectrum, yet when it comes to the USSR or China, they repeat the same talking points and insults almost verbatim. Which, again, is telling, because they hold a variety of nuanced and varied opinions on literally any other economic system or government. They just seem to agree on communism being evil, or at least corrupted by evil gubermints.

Still, libs don't seem to care about fascists unless they punch first. At least here in the US, they only view the Nazis and Japanese negatively, and even then only barely. To them all that matters is who punched first (from their perspective) and who killed more people (from their metrics). On some level, they recognize Nazi's racism as exceptionally awful, but when they believe everybody has committed genocides in the tens of millions, it dilutes it horribly.

My Philosophy of Race professor once mentioned "soft denialism", not about this specifically, but the concept of diluting and undermining the severity of a crime against humanity by arguing that everyone is guilty of something similar.

In the state I teach in, our textbooks make communism out as the greatest failure and evil in the world. A token "6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust" is given, but the history of most of the world goes into more detail about how many millions the alleged idiocy of Mao or the apparent power hungry brutality of Stalin caused. Which is really telling because they take every opportunity to mention when communism allegedly did something bad or failed in a region, but never go into as much depth or detail about any other similar events in history. It's only junior high level geography, but the main focus of all the world history seems to be on how bad socialism is. Every other economic system, war, and historical event is briefly covered in a whitewashed way, but socialism and communism are repeatedly paraded around as evil. This is all the world history they'll get until high school, which will likely have a similar focus.

I've noticed that from when I was in school to now, a decade later, that they've really pushed a "communists were the worse evil all along" narrative. My students, who know very little about the world, know to hate and fear Russia, China, and North Korea, but have never heard of fascism and barely know about Nazis except as edgy jokes.

As a citizen of the US, I feel a very similar pain and sympathize with you, my comrade to the north.

Poland and Finland, though there's more nuance there than libs care to observe. For example, ignoring the fact the territory they took from Poland was Ukrainian territory Poland was, uh, "making Polish". And obviously the Finns wound up joining the Nazis. They also seem to think Ukraine spontaneously fought the Soviets and just happened to get Nazi support later.

They exist in a vacuum where they think the bulk of the Axis powers and allies that fought Russians were somehow wholesome victims who had no choice but to fight for Nazis. But, paradoxically, the USSR can't be forgiven for the Nonaggression Pact (even though the West signed NAPs first and financed much of the Nazi war machine, sometimes even during the war). Liberals have the attention span and object permanence of a wet noodle.

This kinda feels like when people say China will collapse any day now. Like, I know the West is unstable and unsustainable, but if there's a collapse, I suspect even that could just be used for the capitalists as easily as for socialism...

I was disturbed to see the Girl Meets World episode where they teach a horribly inaccurate version of communism, and I was just bewildered they'd do that in a kids show. It's pretty interesting how kids shows will tackle big issues like "communism is when you're forced to be the same", but not "the Nazis murdered millions of people for being born different". Really shows what's more important to Californian artists.

Still, some shows ain't afraid to fight fascism, but they're usually on streaming services, not TV.

Normal people would, but there are libs out there who genuinely believe downvoting or trolling communists on Lemmy is some brave stand against totalitarianism. I don't think we need to assume any of them are getting paid. The West produces a surplus of terminally online people who want to attack communists without feds having to lift a finger (other than to dismantle education, ensuring more "patriots" attacking communists online).

If they'd forced him to use Starlink for Ukraine and they still lost, however, the illusion of "we could have won if..." is broken. This way, depending on the public, they have a sage peacekeeper who avoided nuclear war, or a selfish traitor they can use as a scapegoat. Gotta keep the libs and fascists dreaming.

I could only get about 30 minutes into the film because I was annoyed by that. It's the only film I can remember that isn't intentionally political (satire, etc.) but makes the same political joke ad nauseum every chance it can. If the political comment had been progressive in any way, you can bet more people would have been complaining about it. Because it's anticommunist, your post is the only thing I can find where someone sees it at all.

I've considered trying to move to Massachusetts someday. Maybe not Boston, because living in cities always seems like a hassle to my small town ass, but somewhere near it.

Exactly this. Unfortunately, nearly every American I've met - even the left-leaning - is convinced that, in spite of its flaws, the US is still the safest/best place to be. They're so disillusioned with the American government and society, but still fervently believe every other system and place is worse (except the Nordic model). And they'll believe me if I tell them why whatever they do support isn't as good as they think, but they take serious convincing to even entertain the idea that China isn't as bad as they think. Us Americans have been hardwired to be distrustful of any good thing, to a fault, and it's really sad when you think about it. It's just bizarre we can be so anti-government as a country and still blindly do exactly what the government wants.

I worked at a hospice (I guess you could call it that?) here in the States, and this nurse was from Romania. I've noticed a trend with "former communist citizens" randomly working in "I was from communist country" into interactions for some kind of sympathy, I guess? There was no rhyme or reason for it, but while talking to her, she brought up she hadn't had bananas when growing up in Romania because they were a communist country. When I suggested it might have been because a lot of bananas were grown in American-controlled regions and the US probably refused to trade them to communist countries, she looked really confused at me, like she hadn't expected me to actually give a sensible reason for it. I've also talked to a comrade who worked as a psych student and had to deal with an Eastern European entrepreneur who would do the same thing: work in something about how he didn't have access to (X), blame it on communism, laugh, and wait for some kind of positive affirmation about it, then get uncomfortable or confused if whoever they're talking to doesn't care.

I sense a pattern, especially when I read articles from other wealthy or well-off immigrants from socialist countries. A sort of exaggeration of hardship that, in a vacuum, looks bad, but with context undermines its severity. But I only know a few cases, so maybe it's just coincidence. Then again, if I were to move and live comfortably in a socialist country, I'd probably tell the citizens how much shit was wrong here in the States, even unprompted.

Something that's darkly amusing about that, living here, is that the election results are almost a 50/50 split every time on the national level, and sometimes even when one candidate has more than the other guy, the other guy wins anyway. So, even if everyone had faith in the system and that the numbers are accurate (which politicians do cheat, so they really aren't), that still means that: a) roughly half the country is going to be against the winner and support any effort to undermine them, and b) even getting a majority doesn't really mean much if the Electoral College can just support the other candidate.

But yeah, I just gotta keep voting Blue for that harm reduction they can't deliver on, while living in a state that's consistently 2/3 Republican in every election, and which passes laws that make it difficult to vote for anything else.

I'm not bitter in the slightest.

I think part of that stems from Westerners (at least where I live) struggling to comprehend how large, populous, and diverse China is as a country. It's presented and taught as a monolith, unless the media/government is trying to push a secessionist movement, then all of a sudden everyone thinks they're an expert on an ethnic group they only thought of as "Chinese" until influencers told them they're oppressed.

This isn't the first time I've heard some alleged former citizen of an Eastern Bloc country bring up the lack of imported fruits, and I always found it odd that they choose to blame the communist government instead of, idk, the fact banana republics were controlled by imperialists and probably insanely hard to come by? Regardless, it also feels like a petty caveat to throw onto a weak argument about why I should feel bad for them having grown up in a country with free housing, low unemployment, free education, and free healthcare (or damn near free, anyway). Because they didn't get Star Wars or oranges often?