Chariotwheel @ Chariotwheel @kbin.social

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Yeah, actually, why is that even a thing?

It never complained about the time to take. I am talking about your lack of knowledge in the matter discussed.

I am trying to help you here. I told you that you lack knowledge, I also straight up told you where.

It's frustrating to argue with you, because you did not bother at all.

First of all: it's not Hamas, even by what Israel said. It's Islamic Jihad.

Secondly: it wasn't on purpose by that argumentation, it was a failed rocket launch. It would not be the first time a militant group with makeshift rockets had an accident, although this would be particularly lethal.

It's astonishing how much passion you put into your comments while refusing to actually read about what you talk about.

I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat. Everybody look at me, 'cause I'm sailing on a boat

The other side of statememts regarding who is at fault for attack on the hospital.

Man, you can really tell who hasn't engaged with the matter aside from headlines.

Not even Israel claims that it was Hamas who fired the rocket. You would know that, if you would have spend just a little bit of your time actually reading articles instead of just commenting under them.

Then again, the other side is Hamas and Islamic Jihad with so far no evidence. I am not trusting Israel blindly, but neither do I trust those two blindly. It's entirely possible that Islamic Jihad fucked up big time and Hamas tried to pin this on Israel. As far as fact checking goes, it probably needs a bit more time, but so far Israel's claims and evidence seem to check out.

Well, the full quote is:

And based on what I’ve seen that appears as though it was done by the other team, not you,

He is refering to the Israeli evidence given, he's not giving new information distinct from that

Yeah, thanks for your insight. I don't fault you for being angry at Israel, I am too. But all the more reason to stick to the facts and don't criticize Israel on loose grounds. There are enough crimes we know they did, and it's less than productive to make something we don't know for sure is their fault into their fault only to have facts blown up in our faces.

Sticking as close a possible to the facts, consider information of all kinds, even if we don't like the people, it's important in this disinformation war raging on the topic. We can be better than the people who still repeat the false 40 beheaded babies.

I mean, could he have been refering to a different location? According to the Israel briefing, there was no activity of theirs at that time in the area of the hospital. I imagine there is a lot going on on both sides in all kinds of locations at all times at the moment.

At the very least, you should look at all evidence given to us before making a judgement.

Alone that you are saying "Hamas" rockets shows that you have not really dove into the topic. Because not even Israel claimed it was Hamas, but Islamic Jihad, which is a distinct group. Furthermore, they also had an argument regarding the increased damage.

I suggest you look at what we know first, before you make a judgement like "99.9%". This disinformation shit happens on both sides and it must be stopped. The situation doesn't get any clearer by people doing this.

The Guardian had it in their coverage:

On how a rocket fired from Gaza could cause so much damage he said:

The existence of propellant made a larger explosion than the warhead itself. And this caused the damage, the explosions that we see of the burning cars here.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/18/israel-hamas-war-live-news-gaza-hospital-west-bank-update-joe-biden-visit-protests-latest-updates?page=with:block-652f822b8f085b7fcf67317c#block-652f822b8f085b7fcf67317c

Not saying that there are vile people that are just rooting for their football team no matter what happens, but I did fine here offering the opinion that both statements were - at the time - equally not backed by evidence. I did mention, that the Guardian did mention that the size of explosion is more than usual for the weapons of the militants, but even that didn't necessearily mean that it was Israel.

If we're looking at this we should look at all neews criticial, especially if one supports a side over the other. It's too easy to fall for hopeful rumours and fantasies anyways. Seen too many people who just go on any unbacked claim by either side "aha! I knew it". It's a volatile and chaotic situation and a lot of bad actors just try to score points.

Yeah, they didn't shoot that, it was the Palestinian Islamic Jihad according to the evidence delievered by Israel. Not the same groups, although they coordinate sometimes. But Hamas went right out of the gate blaming Israel despite apparently knowing better, and that's just not a good look at all if true.

Very compelling evidence, especially if it gets verified. They even adressed the question mark of it being more damage than these groups usually do when their missiles hit. It would be very high stakes lying, but then again, this is a high stakes situation. Whoever did that has a lot of innocent blood on their hands.

Topical Alex Horne: https://youtu.be/TdAx9h724ps

The Guardian mentioned that this much damage with one rocket would likely go above the usual capabilities of Hamas.

Not saying that it couldn't be that, but certainly something to consider.

Why we're just hooligans who only belong to one of two teams instead of being able to worry about the innocents on both sides that suffer the blood thirst of the scum above them in the hierarchy.

I think it will be fine as long as Gaben is there. I am afraid that after he retires or ascends into Godhood somehow John Riccitiello will get his ass into that seat.

Yeah, Hamas claimed it was an Israeli missile. Israel claims that it was a failed rocket launch by Hamas.

I don't think we actually know more than that, and everything else is people speculating for their team. But in the end, we need more information on this as statement stands against statement.

edit:

A note from the Guardian:

The Israeli military reportedly said an initial investigation suggested the explosion was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch, but the scale of the blast appears to be outside the militant group’s capabilities.