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So you support America invading the Middle East when a hostile government oppresses separatists that ally themselves with the US there?

You people are pro-war whenever it's convenient for you I guess. Those comparisons are out of line and clearly different as I already explained.

At that point, if the US interceded and went past the Albertan border to attack other military targets in Canada, you would consider that a war of aggression by America against Canada and not them defending their ally, Alberta?

If America's massacring civilians in Ottawa and Toronto? Yes, of course I would. Any sane person would. Stay in Alberta.

You people call yourselves anti-war? I think you're the real liberals here.

So let me get this straight: if the US/Canada were hostile with each other, and the people of Alberta, Canada, were separatists that allied themselves with the US, but the Canadian government refused to recognize Alberta's sovereignty, you would support a full-scale, deadly American invasion of Canada?

And how long ago was that exactly?

Um, I support peace and democracy.

I very clearly am saying I support Donbas but Russia has taken it too far and has become the larger aggressor.

Huh? When did Ukraine invade Russia?

when the one I’m talking to is also refusing to just give a clear answer

I very clearly said I supported their independence, but okay.

Also, why doesn’t it give Russia the right to invade?

So let me get this straight, you support civilians being massacred and innocent lives being lost? You really think Ukraine is on the same level of Nazi fucking Germany? Honestly I wouldn't even much of a problem if they just invaded Donbas but they're invading the whole fucking country and causing so much death and destruction. How is that justified? How can you call yourself anti-war and anti-imperialism and justify a brutal invasion? Some true colors being shown...

Not you particularly, but people obviously call the US/EU "fascist" sometimes and "neoliberal" other times.

And are they a military dictatorship today? Even when they were, they weren't a threat to world peace or humanity like the Confederacy or the Japanese Empire. By that logic do you think the US military should intervene in African military dictatorships?

Oh please you hexshits use fascist and neoliberal interchangeably all the time, and you're not wrong.

The Civil War was imperialism but it was good imperialism. Fascist breakaways are a bit different: the Union taking over the South was infringing on their self-governance, but that's a good thing, Confederates were pure evil. It's like after WWII and Axis powers became occupied, could you technically call that colonialism? Maybe, but they needed to be.

If Taiwan was blatantly fascistic, genocidal, had slavery, etc. I would support China colonizing them... but they aren't. They're neoliberal (much like China), which is lame, but they're not a Nazi state. Remind me, who was the first in Asia to legalize gay marriage?

Your comparison is bad faith.

Muddied? There's this thing called "nuance." I support Donbas independence, I simply don't think it gives Russia the right to invade anywhere outside of Donbas, is that that complicated to understand?

No shit sherlock.

Tell me this, does this supposed "socialist system" have workers owning the means of production? How are factory conditions again? Hell you can't even particularly call them a social democracy, they don't have complete universal healthcare like Europe yet, and they have less than half the paid leave! Socialist system with billionaires, LMFAO (I don't care if the rules are stricter and they're held more accountable, the fact they exist in the first place is pure capitalism).

And I'm calling them fascist because of how they treat political dissidents and minorities.

Read the first two words of my comment tankie 🤣🤣

I think all regions deserve self-autonomy determined by democratic referendums, unlike the tankies that think the Republic of China should be re-annexed...

Uh, yes? I don't support the blatant invasion and warcrimes by Russia but I can recognize Ukraine has a fascist problem too.

So let me get this straight, a group of people overwhelmingly wish to separate, and the government tries to prevent them from doing that, and you don't think that's imperialism? I bet you don't feel the same about separatism in Catalonia, Donbas, Kurdistan, or the Zapatistas. Classic tankie logic: imperialism good when done by purported "communists."