Carrolade @ Carrolade @lemmy.world

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I learned about around half of that in junior high and high school. Where did you study? That has a lot to do with it, our education system is controlled at the local level by individual school boards.

We also had discussions on war crimes, though that wasn't until high school.

This was before 9/11, so the War on Terror had not happened yet. It was mainly focused on Vietnam. We did learn about some of the covert stuff, but most of it was not covered.

I agree none of it is part of mainstream US discourse, but neither is the vast majority of the things covered in history class. This reflects American anti-intellectualism overall imo.

It is kinda weird. We don't have any problems talking about our historical atrocities, unless your community is really, really conservative. I first learned about the Trail of Tears in elementary school, we even took a field trip to a historical location on it. That's some heavy shit for a little kid. We didn't go into all the gory details, but the wide scale of the suffering and betrayal we committed was covered.

Even into current events, American bombs falling on Gaza was a big deal.

It's not about this being some sort of firewall to stop him in his tracks or anything, the opportunity for that was last election, and we failed. It's now about being an effective opposition, just like they try do when we win.

To paraphrase AOC, there needs to be sand in his gears. Yeah, he can push a lot of stuff through anyway, but we definitely want it to be as difficult as possible, costing them extra effort.

Here's a kinda tired-seeming AOC chit chatting about all this stuff for 90 minutes on livestream:

https://youtu.be/CVgNJf6CsBA

Though the main battle is still over teaching logic and critical thinking to the public and individual civic dialogue imo.

Hm. That's a good question. It'd be up to that specific instance owner to take action, which not all would. Though even without an applicable rule, I think the transparency alone would cut down on the behavior more than people think.

The thing about any stalking and revenge downvotes is that everybody would be able to immediately see exactly what was happening, due to the added transparency. Rules could very easily be made against this. So, when I see this argument it strikes me as a bit of a red herring.

What I think is really going on, is some people want to be able to stalk and downvote bomb without being recognized, which the current system allows.

Not quite as shitty as it looks, for him. Not sure if anybody told Trump yet, but the richest Ukrainian mineral resource deposits are all in the east, under the territory occupied by the Russians.

Same. Every time I see someone complaining about the all feed I wonder if they came from 4chan's b board or something.

How many places on the internet expect you to regularly use some sort of all feed? 9gag maybe? Did people regularly use reddit's all feed, despite it being crammed full of garbage and vote farming? I think I used it for like 5 seconds when I first started there before I gave up in disgust and started picking communities intentionally.

Do you set up your newsreader with all of everything? You want all the sports, all the pop culture, all the tech, etc etc?

I just don't get it. All is always going to be garbage on every service just because the world is a big place, and that's fine.

Now, rant aside, I did actually find his idea of an all feed where local instance voting is all that gets counted kinda neat. I don't have any problems with that being an available option if someone wanted to work on it.

Other people being violent towards you does not make your actions violent. Also, there's actually been many general strikes that were not attacked by state forces at least. There have probably been hundreds of general strikes through history. They're common enough that they're not really covered in history classes past a sentence or two, if at all. It was actually a general strike that staved off the first coup against the German civilian govt post-WW1.

Organizing, I'm not sure.

A general strike (which is a peaceful method) beats martial law, not the other way around. Not easy to organize by any stretch, but historically effective.

Thank you for relating your personal experiences. I feel like a lot of people don't really have a good sense for how the authoritarian playbook works in the modern day.

If anyone wants a more professional analysis, Ruth Ben-Ghiat is a historian with a background in Italian fascism, and specializes in modern authoritarianism.

It's all just noise to distract from something else he doesn't want too much attention on. Probably the personnel shakeups.

It's like a pickpocket bumping into you in a crowd. He bumps into you and apologizes, something he planned to do the entire time. While he was distracting you with this, he stole your wallet.

Trump does this often, Steve Bannon calls the strategy "flooding the zone" if I remember right.

Just remember, if we lose then things get worse, so maybe don't execute before you've laid some proper groundwork. I'm sorry, but in real life, we don't always emerge victorious.

Alright, that's fair.

One extreme or the other, eh? It's not between fight now or give up, there is a whole spectrum in between, that takes things like opportunity and timing into account.

I think there's a term for that, when a person only represents the options as one of two extremes.

It's a little frightening that you think there's much chance it benefits anybody other than the fascists.

This isn't the pre-revolutionary era where a large amount of people would effectively take up arms and pose a credible threat.

They have the mechanisms of government, they have the militias, they have the backing of a significant chunk of the populace, they have the most businessmen, they have their own locked down media ecosystem, etc etc.

We can look to N Korea and Russia and see that a population can indeed be stabilized under modern totalitarian rule, it just took some practice for humanity to learn how to pull it off. And you want to roll the dice on this now, here?

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... how many quail eggs are needed to make a decent sized omelet anyway? A dozen?

If you're in a moving car, and you toss something small straight up into the air, does it come straight back down to your hand, or way behind it?

Old news, but still very cool.