CaptObvious @ CaptObvious @literature.cafe

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Other than not requiring a second email address linked to their service, being covered by German rather than Swiss law, actually fighting back against information requests, and not sucking up to the Chinese Communist Party, Tuta is probably fairly similar. Those differences, though, are persuasive.

Always good advice. But at least make the second basket one that you can trust. Proton ain't it.

Anonymity is an aspect of privacy. Arguably, it is even expected. Proton pat themselves on the back about privacy without being honest about what that includes. They even have a blog post victim-blaming when their "privacy" marketing is shown to be false.

Admittedly, I don't like Proton. They were far too quick to try to jump in bed with the Chinese Communist Party when Google was kicked out. It left a bad taste. I've seen absolutely nothing in the years since to make me question that position.

if the user practiced proper opsec it wouldn’t be an issue

Agreed

Proton provides privacy not anonymity

Anonymity most certainly is a part of privacy.

• https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/it-privacy/
• https://epic.org/issues/democracy-free-speech/anonymity/
• https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2013/09/05/anonymity-privacy-and-security-online/
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy

The point is that Proton, a company that sells privacy, violated that trust, apparently without much of a fight.

The Spanish police didn’t even allege that the person is a terrorist.

I think we’re done here. We’re not even speaking the same language.

Have a nice life.

Questionable and not the point.

Its a very clear case that is painted in the story.

Indeed it is. The police asked and Proton provided. Very clear indeed.

At last, something we can agree on.

So there’s no real evidence of Google doing what you accuse them of?

Again, I’m no gigantic fan of Google, but they don’t seem any less reliable than Proton.

Did you read the story? Or are you just here to stir the pot and display your Proton Fanboi bona fides?

This person isn’t a terrorist.

Proton also don’t allow temp addresses.

Can you? Didn’t someone else mention that Proton don’t allow another Proton account?

Fair point.

Which leads to the next logical question: Why not just use Tuta in the first place?

It feels a little like we're playing Whack-a-Mole with threading multiple email providers here. :)

The handle is a hobby nickname, by the way. My wife started calling me that as a trail name several years ago, and it stuck.

My bad. I thought Tuta also required a verification email when I created an account several years ago. Just tried it, and they don't appear to these days. Good to know. Thanks.

Spanish police asked for a court order which was apparently easy to get. So yes, for the asking.

I never said I have nothing to hide. I said I don't trust any online service to keep it a secret. And if it's really important, I sure as hell won't send it on a postcard (email).

I don't. If I have something to share that could get me killed, I send it through an actual secure channel or I just say it in person. Fortunately, I don't have such important information in my possession. :)

Which was linked to his metadata which was what the police were after in the first place.

Evidence? I'll stipulate Google's culpability. I never said that Gmail is better than Proton just that there's not a lot of difference between them, Proton fanbois' protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

Fair point. And if whatever you want to keep private isn't likely to get you killed, then Proton is probably as good as any.