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Lol at the people downvoting this like that isn't exactly what happened: NATO had wanted Finland to join for years, but they didn't want to join, for fear of provoking Russia. Putin shows the world that appeasement doesn't work, and Finland joins in a heartbeat.

You actually have to elaborate on what you mean by "pro fascist-coup gov", I honestly don't know what fascists your talking about.

Yeah, the famous fascists that are actively working hard to join the EU, which we've seen so clearly the past decade just loves having fascist states in its ranks. You know, the fascist government that had an actual election as late as 2019 where southern and eastern regions largely voted for the person that won.

Notice how there was actually a change of power in that election - a known hallmark of fascist states.

Yup, who would have though that Russia invading their neighbour suddenly caused the entirety of western Europe to start the largest investments in military and weapons manufacturing since the cold war?

Looking at the results of this war so far (major expansion of NATO in the North, massively increased military spending in all of NATO, massively increased size of the Ukrainian military), you would almost think Putins goal was something completely different than preventing NATO expansion and "de-militarizing" Ukraine.

It's almost like the best way of preventing your neighbours from building huge militaries and joining alliances is by cooperating with them and helping them feel safe, rather than threatening, coercing and bombing them.

Out of honest curiosity: Whats wrong with sopuli.xyz? I literally just picked a random instance when I joined Lemmy, and have never heard anything special about this instance.

It's sad, but countries like Russia show us very clearly why nations that want peace need to prepare for war.

I would love to not need to spend a cent on our military, or weapons manufacturing, but the hard reality is very clearly that if we aren't capable of mass producing weapons, we'll likely be invaded and killed.

That's a major part of the issue Europe is facing now: We've scaled down weapons production since the 90's, and now that we suddenly need millions of artillery shells it takes time to rebuild production capacity.

Hopefully Russia gets the picture soon, that we'll keep scaling up until every Russian invader is gone, and we can go back to not spending money on war...

Wow, I Wonder why everyone that's left in the regime that deports and persecutes dissenters says they are in support of that regime?

Ukraine never invaded anybody. Giving them weapons so they can throw out the people invading them, taking their land and molesting their people is a good thing. Russia has clearly shown that the only way to get rid of the plague that is Russian soldiers on foreign soil is to kill them. That's why we have this war that Russia has chosen to engage in, and which Russia can choose to withdraw from at any time. That's why Russians are dying by the hundreds of thousands.

Where I live they were systematically nice people that helped keep everybody safe. If they found some drunk/high person that needed help, they would drive them home. When we were teens and had beach parties, a couple of them would typically hang around somewhere out of the way, and only intervene if someone was being an asshole trying to start a fight (and they would tell people to pick up their glass bottles so kids wouldn't get hurt the next day). If we were otherwise hanging around they might chat to us and ask what was going on around the neighbourhood, and nobody had an issue telling them anything, because we knew they were just there to look after and help people.

Obviously, I can tell that my experience with police growing up is far from what can be expected a lot of other places. I really do wish more places had police like we did.

Congrats on knowing a person that had something positive to say about China, that must make you proud!

It's just laughable that you're actually swallowing the Chinese propaganda that they want countries "internal affairs" to be left alone, when everybody can see how they're treating the south-west pacific. China is a country with major imperialistic intentions, that believes they have the right to shove any smaller country in the region out of their way, and it's obvious by their actions. Just look at recent events in the Philippine sea once you get out from under your rock.

Saying that Russia, the country that is actively engaged in a war of aggression that has killed hundreds of thousands of people, is "not a threat" is just so dumb it's not even funny. Also, saying that they "retreated backwards", when they weren't even capable of sticking within their own borders is beyond stupid.

Point me to a Democratic NATO country that has expanded its borders by force after ascending to NATO, and I'll give you permission to pat yourself on the back.

This reads like you've had an aneurism... "... as a condition as a sovereign country". You do realise that the whole concept of being a sovereign country is that another country cannot place conditions on your existence, right? You also might realise that I never said anything about what is "moral", but questioned the rationality of Russia having a bunch of its citizens killed, and resources spent, on invading a neighbouring country.

Your argument is just jumping all over the place. The fact is that Russia, and Russia alone, can stop this war whenever they want. They can ensure that no more people die fighting on Ukrainian soil, but they are choosing every day not to.

Western countries have been steadily expanding relations with Russia and China for the past couple decades, and for some reason, Russia went out of its way to show that being pals with them was a really bad idea if you enjoy not being bombed, invaded, deported and tortured. Russia could have just kept improving relations with us, and we would have been happy to keep trading and leaving them alone. Hell, at some point in the future, maybe even Russia could have joined some extended version of the EU if they had shown that they were trustworthy and willing to not senselessly violate other people. Russia, and Russia alone, killed that possibility.

Lol, you're literally claiming that Russia is too weak and pathetic to not attack someone when it is in their best interest to not attack them, because "big bad west" somehow forced them to attack, against their own wishes. Also, you're talking about NATO expansion as if it's something that's been forced upon other countries, rather than a tough process to get through, that a bunch of countries have worked hard to complete, because they wanted to join. Just look at the recent ascension of Finland and Sweden, and you'll quickly recognise that the main driver for NATO expansion is Russias neighbours wanting security from Russia. If Russia didn't want others joining NATO they could just leave people alone.

Not only that, you're saying "The US has no interest in Ukraine, Russia does..." as if "having interests in Ukraine" justifies invading the country and killing thousands of civilians. I don't care what interests Russia has in Ukraine, they have no right to invade, because Ukraine is a sovereign country. Western countries don't need to have interests in Ukraine to have a vested interest in maintaining a rule-based world order, where we can focus on making the world a better place rather than fighting off invading Russians. If Russia is allowed to force their will upon a free country, we are all forced to spend more resources on our militaries, which we would really prefer not to.

Again, this whole "Ukraine is a device to provoke Russia" argument just makes Russia look even more pathetic. They can just stop the invasion and leave if it isn't in their best interest to fight. That's literally what we're asking for: Just stop. We don't want this war, and the way we're going to stop it is by helping Ukraine kill Russian soldiers on their soil until Russia gets the picture.

Finally, the thing about democratic governments lying to their citizens doesn't really carry the weight you think it does, because we have actual free press and free speech, which leads to lying politicians being held accountable. Just take a look at any Western European democracy, and you'll see a host of politicians that have been outed for all kinds of things, and subsequently been punished either legally (if applicable) or in the polls.

There was no Chinese "crackdown"

Lol. You apparently do live under a rock... Like, have you actually spoken to anyone that was there? I have, and they've either experienced more or less severe police brutality and dissappearings, or claim that the Chinese government is full of saints that could never do harm. You know, if you don't mistreat your population, you won't have to spend resources on undercover out-of-country police stations, and on sending people to other countries to report on "disloyal citizens".

That could save you quite some resources in the long run, just a tip.

Lol, you're literally claiming that Russia is too weak and pathetic to not attack someone when it is in their best interest to not attack them, because "big bad west" somehow forced them to attack, against their own wishes. Also, you're talking about NATO expansion as if it's something that's been forced upon other countries, rather than a tough process to get through, that a bunch of countries have worked hard to complete, because they wanted to join. Just look at the recent ascension of Finland and Sweden, and you'll quickly recognise that the main driver for NATO expansion is Russias neighbours wanting security from Russia. If Russia didn't want others joining NATO they could just leave people alone.

Not only that, you're saying "The US has no interest in Ukraine, Russia does..." as if "having interests in Ukraine" justifies invading the country and killing thousands of civilians. I don't care what interests Russia has in Ukraine, they have no right to invade, because Ukraine is a sovereign country. Western countries don't need to have interests in Ukraine to have a vested interest in maintaining a rule-based world order, where we can focus on making the world a better place rather than fighting off invading Russians. If Russia is allowed to force their will upon a free country, we are all forced to spend more resources on our militaries, which we would really prefer not to.

Again, this whole "Ukraine is a device to provoke Russia" argument just makes Russia look even more pathetic. They can just stop the invasion and leave if it isn't in their best interest to fight. That's literally what we're asking for: Just stop. We don't want this war, and the way we're going to stop it is by helping Ukraine kill Russian soldiers on their soil until Russia gets the picture.

Finally, the thing about democratic governments lying to their citizens doesn't really carry the weight you think it does, because we have actual free press and free speech, which leads to lying politicians being held accountable. Just take a look at any Western European democracy, and you'll see a host of politicians that have been outed for all kinds of things, and subsequently been punished either legally (if applicable) or in the polls.

Lol, you're literally claiming that Russia is too weak and pathetic to not attack someone when it is in their best interest to not attack them, because "big bad west" somehow forced them to attack, against their own wishes. Also, you're talking about NATO expansion as if it's something that's been forced upon other countries, rather than a tough process to get through, that a bunch of countries have worked hard to complete, because they wanted to join. Just look at the recent ascension of Finland and Sweden, and you'll quickly recognise that the main driver for NATO expansion is Russias neighbours wanting security from Russia. If Russia didn't want others joining NATO they could just leave people alone.

Not only that, you're saying "The US has no interest in Ukraine, Russia does..." as if "having interests in Ukraine" justifies invading the country and killing thousands of civilians. I don't care what interests Russia has in Ukraine, they have no right to invade, because Ukraine is a sovereign country. Western countries don't need to have interests in Ukraine to have a vested interest in maintaining a rule-based world order, where we can focus on making the world a better place rather than fighting off invading Russians. If Russia is allowed to force their will upon a free country, we are all forced to spend more resources on our militaries, which we would really prefer not to.

Again, this whole "Ukraine is a device to provoke Russia" argument just makes Russia look even more pathetic. They can just stop the invasion and leave if it isn't in their best interest to fight. That's literally what we're asking for: Just stop. We don't want this war, and the way we're going to stop it is by helping Ukraine kill Russian soldiers on their soil until Russia gets the picture.

Finally, the thing about democratic governments lying to their citizens doesn't really carry the weight you think it does, because we have actual free press and free speech, which leads to lying politicians being held accountable. Just take a look at any Western European democracy, and you'll see a host of politicians that have been outed for all kinds of things, and subsequently been punished either legally (if applicable) or in the polls.

Honestly: Yes. It's an example that perfectly encapsulates how windows "as a concept" actively babies and dumbs down its users. I the 00's, nobody had a problem with file extensions, but now that we're working with users that have grown up with computers we suddenly need to remove them because they're "too confusing"?

You keep twisting to talking about NATO, and the EU, when an elected government in Ukraine is choosing to keep fighting. Remember that the majority of western support came after Ukrainians showed in the first weeks/months of the war that they were willing to fight- even without support.

Then you talk of how it is "irrational" for Ukraine to try to defend itself. In what world is it rational for Russia to spend so many lives and so much equipment on a war of choice?

Ukrainians wanted, and want, to live peacefully and in harmony with their neighbours. They never had any intention of hurting Russia. The Russian attack showed the whole world why any country that wants to be left alone needs to arm itself.

Hell, Russia was on its way into the good company of Western Europe, relations had never been better, with more cooperation and international trade than ever, when they decided that they had to attack and subdue Ukraine, because Ukraine was becoming a bit "too good" friends with the west.

You know you have a problem when NATO and the EU can just have a half open door, and countries actively seek to join, while Russia has to cause hundreds of thousands of deaths in order to force others to be "friendly nations" towards them.

If you didn't notice the crackdowns in Hong Kong a couple years back, and haven't noticed the stream of political refugees from Hong Kong afterwards, I can't help you.

China signed an agreement when the UK gave up Hong Kong, and they blatantly broke that agreement. There really aren't that many complicating factors.

Here's to hoping we can see what the industrial capacity of NATO really is in the near future. Ukraine is holding up, but NATO is still very much working on a peace-time production level, and is only slowly upscaling.

With that argument: Why is it rational for Russia to fight to the last man? They're pushing half a million killed and wounded, and billions of dollars worth of equipment. They're living in a war economy. For what? Why don't they just stop?

Russia can stop at any time without conceding territory or seeing their people be mistreated or killed in occupied territory. Any argument that "this would all be over if Ukraine gave up" can just be flipped around.

It's quite simple really: As long a Ukrainians are willing to fight, we will support them. The argument that "this would already be over if we didn't support them" reeks of someone yelling "stop resisting" while beating someone else.

You expect them to just roll over and take it? After we've seen what they do in occupied territory? Forget it. You're literally recommending that an entire people just lay back and let their families be deported/killed.