Candelestine @ Candelestine @lemmy.world

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I don't disagree. Just disagree that his method was as simple and straightforward as people here seem to think, just believing what he's spoon feeding them 100%. He was sophisticated, a leader. Not some simpleton.

As if Americans would just give him what he wants for knocking down a couple skyscrapers. Have you even seen our culture? We shoot each other in our own streets, much less foreign attackers. How people think we could just forego a chance at revenge is just utterly, hilariously wrong in every way.

Propaganda is a quantity game, it can make anywhere from no sense to complete sense, because different messages will be received differently by different people.

The Sept 11th attack was not a piece of some greater war. It was a declaration to an unsuspecting people, very few of us had any expectation that something like that would happen. I can understand when the Japanese made the mistake in 1941, but its much less understandable now. It's certainly no Vietnam, which didn't end until we had lost large numbers for many years. Comparing that to an expectation that a surprise attack on our civilians would have similar effects is simply ridiculous.

America is a box of hornets. It was still, and got kicked. No other possibility was even remotely likely to anybody that knows anything about us. He couldn't have been that totally and completely ignorant.

To the contrary, it is far more likely he was an intelligent adversary that researched and understood his opponents, and struck effectively. I simply find that far more plausible than him being a fool that wanted a quicker way to get him and his organization to heaven, and otherwise failed miserably.

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It makes zero sense though. No people on Earth would just go "oh welp, guess we better go home now."

Do we seem hesitant to kill people to you?

That's fair. I can see a state of panic potentially being involved, but that could be addressed with technical improvements. Monitoring your eyeballs perhaps, and some sort of panic safety switch.

Not sure why someone would believe a fighter when they say why they fight. It's not like propaganda is unique to western countries or something. It's everywhere. It's a tool that creates effects, you think he's above using it or something?

It's a jihadist group. It's not about this life, it's about the next. When you're dealing with a zealot, everything becomes a tool to get to heaven, no matter how evil other people see it.

Look at our evangelicals bending over backwards to support Trump, who is not very Christ-like. If the Prince of Peace came down from heaven today, he would be very angry with his "followers". Might even take his belt off and start swinging, and he didn't get violent very often.

... Palki doesn't usually criticize her own country and allies too harshly, she even leans slightly pro-Russian in the Russo-Ukrainian War and occasionally reports misinformation. I appreciate the willingness to report this though, that takes some courage, to report on wide-scale criminal organizations in her own country. Props for that.

First Post is a mixed bag. I mainly watch them for the China reporting, she seems to watch them very closely. I also appreciate her as a counterweight to my largely western media diet, alongside a few others like Al Jazeera.

Though every once in awhile I get a good laugh during the show. I remember they said that Russia took an "important gateway" when Marynka fell. Gateway to what, more open flat land with towns sprinkled on it? Just a blatant parroting of the Russian propaganda line with no critical thinking applied.

But then they'll turn around and report something like this. And they're usually promoting international cooperation and diplomacy unless they're talking about the UK or China, where a very clear bias becomes immediately apparent. So yeah, mixed bag.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/first-post/

People that don't read too much news. Which is also usually owned by for-profit companies, incidentally, who get money when we consume their content.

It's not objective, it's subjective. 100% of "immersion" is happening in your brain, where the signals received by your senses are being processed into experiences. Thus, different people will experience different levels of immersion, which is how things should be, instead of everyone being expected to try to feel the same as everyone else when faced with the same stimuli.

Basically you're expressing an opinion. Which is fine, people can have those, but others can have other ones too. And that is also fine.

To me it comes down to a strategic approach. In how many ways is it possible for Hamas to actually hurt Israel in a significant way? Not very many, even thousands of civilians dead doesn't genuinely weaken the country much. But they can make Israel hurt themselves, by basically making them go evil and lose their allies.

Similar to how Bin Laden very much succeeded in his goals for the Sept 11th attack, by getting us to pass the Patriot Act, invade some countries and start ripping ourselves apart imo.

Regardless, arguing this position on here is going to be like trying to swim up a waterfall. Israel has gone too far, and the hate against them is too strong because of that. The middle of a war is not the time for nuance.

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I read somewhere that the whole country observes a disaster preparedness day once a year, where people practice various safety drills. Thought that was a kinda cool idea.

Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth?

History says a most definitive yes, it's not even a good question. Which is why it's so important to fight back while we still can.

Good idea to learn tae kwon do before running for public office in S Korea, I guess.

edit: What, do you all think assassination attempts are going to stop or something? Or is it that tae kwon do is a poor option for helping defend oneself from knife attack?

If you want to draw the line in that way, then break it all the way down and apply the principle evenly. Every single time you change your mind in any way, shape or form, that is an ever-so-slightly different you. The difference is so minor that it's basically no difference at all, but it does exist.

So, when you decide to put stawberry jam instead of grape on your toast, that old you that used grape is dead. And then the next day, when you go back to picking grape, the stawberry you is now dead and the grape you is resurrected.

Obviously I'm exaggerating with such an innocuous example, but the basic principle applies. It's all arbitrary, from a truly objective perspective.

There's a number of deductions one could draw from this, but a big one is that we try to apply identity as if "things" are real, but it's mostly just our choices, which can vary as much as we want them to. This goes against a natural human desire for stability, we kinda wish that once we learn something, it can "stay learned". But that's just like Mr Incredible complaining that his city won't "stay saved" in the beginning of the movie.

Pluto's recategorization away from planetary status triggered this in a lot of people. It's arbitrary though, we made those decisions in the first place. And in the modern world, we really need to be ready to handle new stuff all the time, so flexibility is important.

You'd be surprised. Where a place like Florida is flat and low elevation, where a huge amount of coastline is vulnerable, Cali is pretty mountainous. I'm not worried about them.

Nooooo don't do any Balkan things...

Cali has enough money to deal with these kinds of problems, all the cities up and down the west coast are rich as fuck from being a leading area in tech development.

I'm more worried about poorer coastal areas.

Yeah, not saying they were the ones that need to be strong. OP is, if he's this upset about what's happening. Creating distress is their goal.

Oh, I see. That's not cancelling, that's a more severe form of online harassment. Probably a job for the police, if they actually gave a shit.

Spend it in quiet contemplation of the year behind and the one ahead if you want. Not every holiday needs to be a party.