Candelestine @ Candelestine @lemmy.world

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No, things becoming more extreme versions of themselves frequently alters their overall effects. To exaggerate to make my point clear, isn't mass murder just an extreme form of target shooting?

Trying to identify something without taking its real effects into account is rather silly.

That was a very clunky sentence, but assuming I understand you correctly, I never called you anything. Regardless, you can keep your purity, I'm not interested. If the repubs ran someone good, I would consider them, as someone not yoked to an ideology should.

They just haven't in a really long time, that's all. Does that make being a repub bad? Of course not.

They're not complaining about negative feedback, are they? They're complaining about the internet hate machine, which we should be mature enough here to admit is a bunch of juvenile, masturbatory bullshit from people that want to feel good about themselves without doing anything to actually earn that, and so just shit mercilessly in every way on anything they don't like, because bullying others is a quick and easy way to feel strong for a brief time.

That's more than mere negative criticism.

I think you're making an assumption about some 70 million people that is based on your feelings, instead of any kind of objective, verifiable facts. The harsh, cold, brutal reality of real life is not nearly that simple or easy to understand, and will not feel nearly as comforting.

Yes, I do. While no form of human government will ever be truly as consistently effective as we might like, this door was opened for them in the first place by an extended policy of greed being good.

If we accept that as a mistake, we can do some reforms that return a better balance of politician responsibility to their citizens. We need election reform for that, though. Campaign funding should be more equalized so being rich is less advantageous, anonymous campaign funding banned so having rich friends is irrelevant, and voting districts drawn up by independent powers because gerrymandering. That would require a powerful mandate. Or a very bloody war, which I think we'd best try to avoid.

While their distaste for objective facts can lead to battlefield incompetence, it would nonetheless be a total dice roll what we might end up with after a massive outbreak of widespread violence.

Found it.

https://kbin.melroy.org/u/melroy

I'm not sure I see what you are describing.

Shared values of authoritarianism and conspiratorial thinking will do that. But no humans are a monolith. We are all individuals, and we all have a unique blend of biology and experiences.

Things are not always as they seem.

Not a mistake, the misuse of language is intentional. By sowing generalized confusion and mistrust, people are encouraged to give up on their own civic duties in favor of focusing on issues in their own immediate lives. It's a simple prioritization of time and energy.

We need to stop looking at other people from our own values and beliefs, and accept that people are capable of, through a militaristic mindset, doing whatever it takes to accomplish their goals. Including destroying others' ability to communicate with each other effectively.

This is the same generalized mistake that leads people to wonder why Russians don't rise up against Putin. The reason? They're broken. This is part of how you break people, and when done during childhood, is particularly effective and often long-lasting.

I'm getting tired of our innocence on this issue. It's not a mistake, it's blatant malice, done with a secret smirk. It's common through history. We are the unusual ones in a historical context, the products of the Reformation and Enlightenment periods of history. He is the more common one, that embraces our more animalistic natures and disregards all else in the pursuit of power and control over his environment. Other people are simply things in his environment. He does not acknowledge your humanity, only your use to him. This is authoritarianism. There is no truth that is objective, only the instructions of authority, the Words of Who Has Power.

The projection comes in because all this is what they think we're doing, with all our science mumbo jumbo, and our facts, and objectivity. All of that gets in the way of organized criminality with a strongman on top who can maintain his power in a world where he is not actually special, and knows this. It ends up looping right back around to conspiratorial thinking, because their worldviews are fundamentally different from ours, and they will not acknowledge this.

/rant

Any evidence for any of this?

Fair enough. I would argue there is no shortage of anger whatsoever in America, and instead a much larger burnout problem. Anger cannot cure burnout, only exacerbate it.

If we weren't already angry, I'd be fully with you.

It's not about how things "sound", that's conservative, image-based thinking. We should be more focused on substance over style, sustainability, and countering the efforts of our overseas rivals in attempting to paralyze us with divisive instability.

The far right cannot do that, their entire ideology is based on utilizing fear and control. We can use a diverse array of approaches, this is an asset.

Sounds like a job for Kyle Hill:

https://youtu.be/-4Oso9-9KTQ

They're not a monolith any more than we are. Thinking of them as one is inaccurate, and makes your fight against them less effective because you're not taking all the useful information into account.

You can't catch corruption without the people that hunt it down, sometimes from many different directions, to make the hunt as effective as possible. Fighting against that strikes me as a Russian strategy for undermining Ukrainian unity.

No. Anger has a finite usefulness, as the far right has begun to notice. It cannot simply scale up infinitely, that's fucking stupid, eventually it burns people out and they fall into political apathy.

We have other tools as well, we should remember them.

Do not simply try to use every tool of your enemy just like they do. That's seriously dumb as fuck, when they are clearly making a mistake of going for short-term gains at the expense of long-term success.

Hope, decency, honesty, humor, patience, etc can all balance anger and fear in a way that provides more sustainable benefits.

We are not orcs. We do not need to rely on anger and fear.

Problem with espionage assets is they're hard to catch. I think they're popping out of the woodwork now because Russia is leveraging them too hard as an asset, out of blatant desperation. Once high ranking ones are detected and removed, they're time consuming to replace.

Over the short scales of a single war, they're a finite asset. Just like missiles. Can't be replenished in the quantities that you'd really like to have.

Holy shit, how did I never think of this? You want a solution to police brutality, corruption and overreach, I think we found it...

Having lived my whole life in the Information Age, I am 100% in support of this.

Problem with the digital world is it's all fake, it's all bullshit. It's only anything at all because we're here. But like everything, it comes with a cost.

During the brain formation years, the brain should get opportunity to form both with and without it, so the maximum number of possible capabilities are preserved for future access.

Focus on the power, or focus on the people? What would Jesus do?

I think a lot of the millennial drama is manufactured. The generational drama in general is.

Not that generation gaps don't exist, but generally we're pretty tolerant of each other at the younger/lefter end. Even most of the disagreement around Gaza is more fueled by political position than age imo, once you allowed the newcomers to the conflict the time to get up to speed on it. Which did take a little time. It's kinda complicated.

There are definitely large numbers of people trying to manufacture conflict in pretty much every way they can think of, though. Some bots, some volunteers, probably even some paid people, world is a big place and labor can be cheap. Fortunately Lemmings generally seem to be a harder target.