CableMonster @ CableMonster @lemmy.ml

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Sorry, I means to say "once Ukraine loses".

Making jokes about people is not cruelty, its humor... You guys have just gotten so boring and stodgy.

Yes sir

1. We have to give weapons so that Ukraine can win.
2. Russia is Nazi Germany and will keep taking over all of Europe so we need to stop them now.

Both of these arguments are terrible and have huge holes.

Not all, but a majority of labor people do is to make money. What reason do I have to work extra hard for if not for financial gain?

Then there would be no reason to go above and beyond.

Cool, I never signed up for your competition, I dont care.

True, but when its someone trying to sell a book I dont believe anything without evidence.

Oh yes I am so sure its true, its definitely not him trying to make money off the trump hate...

So you think that once russia loses they are going to invade further into Europe after they had a hard time taking over Ukraine?

I am taking the logical argument in the direction that you guys are thinking to show its logically inconsistent. You guys just dont understand what is going on there and repeating one of two different talking point directions.

Yes, being friendly with the west and exiting the russian sphere is considered a threat against russia to them. You can no like it, but I am all about avoiding war and dead people. Those countries mean nothing to us and we should have no part in their politics.

You absolutely win whatever competition we were having.

Feel free to watch one of his rallies, I am sure he does lots of jokes that are not insults. But I am not your servant.

Yeah because they didnt want them to join nato. Why wouldnt nato just say "we have no interest in having Georgia and Ukraine in nato" to prevent wars?

If Russia is probably capable of doing what Nazi Germany did, why would giving them weapons to defend themselves end in a win?

I am not going to vote for trump, but no, everyone is susceptible to it, and some are more susceptible. The MAGA people also believe propaganda but its different types, they come from an experience of the government fucking them over for decades and want someone they believe will fight back.

I am more immune to propaganda based on being an former engineer that just looks at data to make my beliefs. The trick there is to actually look at correct data and not be influenced by headlines or misleading information. The big problem is that your group believes that the media will tell you the truth and will not lie to you. For example look back a month or so ago when they were all claiming Biden was "sharp" when that was obviously a lie to anyone who was skeptical. Anyone that was impartial could see that he wasnt fully functional anymore back in 2020.

Cool, that is not what we are talking about right now.

What your logic seems to be saying is - you are in favor of giving weapons to Ukraine so they can fight and weaken Russia, but they never had a chance of winning because Russia is strong enough to semi-replicate what Nazi germany did. So you are willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of Ukrainians to weaken Russia. What part about this is not what you believe?

They actually had a tentative agreement in Spring of 2022, but then NATO flew in and offered them money and weaponry so they could fight more. I am not moving the goal posts I am just telling you what reality is - Ukraine is going to lose, there is no other outcome.

Who was trying to kill them?

What happens when they run out of men to fight?