CableMonster @ CableMonster @lemmy.ml

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And when the war goes global or nuclear and the US sends troops overseas for you dumb war, are you going or are you going to try to force my kids to die for you instead?

I dont think you are understand, inside the article is the link to the data, the data you are quoting is a different thing. What percent of the left and right "say rule by a strong leader or the military would be a good way of governing their country"?

The main flaw that I think you are making is that you see similar circumstances to something in the past and think the same thing will happen again. Its kind of like with the Ukraine war, people see a country invading another country and think russia is nazi germany and will take over the continent, but in reality the material conditions are completely different. No, we would not start having company stores pop up and kids losing hands on sewing machines, things are drastically different from the industrial revolution.

There is a lot here, so I will directly answer your questions - what part? Because the government is huge I will talk about what I know best - housing. The government(s) add over $100k for every single family house new build, on average. These are things that are not necessary but are required. I can explain in detail because this is going to sound crazy but it is not, I would eliminate nearly all government involvement in everything two story and under. All the government should do is verify location and then verify appropriate utilities (which is both gov and private). We should do a lot of this on most things and make it so people can afford things.

The other big thing would be ending the fed.

Did you notice that your numbers dont match the headlines? The headline and main part of the article is about the pew study which I quoted from.

Stop making shit up.

I am literally reading from the article... And even with your numbers democrats are still quite terrible...

They could but that would be wrong since the split is only 4% between the left and right (L-25% and R - 29%).

So as you say influencing public opinion is bad because then that public opinion is used by a POWERFUL government to harm people. I agree that is what I am talking about, the government having the power over your life is the bad thing, not the opinions of rich people. They can have whatever opinion they want, and the only way they can make it count is if they can sway the people to vote your rights away or directly sway the current officials.

I didnt ignore what you said, I am trying to redirect it from the rhetoric to the solid. Its not that the government is all bad or corrupt or even bad, its that it is used to benefit the people that can get that power. The more government there is the better it is for big business and rich people. Its not that Jeff or Elon can typically harm you, its that they can make the government do things in their favor and against your interests.

I get your points, but you I think that you are mistaking no government for less government. Is the price of necessities being so high good for you, or would you like inflation not to destroy your earnings?

Why does influencing public opinion and elections matter to you?

I like your last paragraph, I think it distills it nicely. Its not that they directly harm you, they influence the government which is allowed to harm you.

Jeff bezos has conflicts with his workers, and his system revolutionized how we buy things.

There’s no bullet train I can hop on to get to LA right now because of the power he flexed.

This is false, it was not going to happen.

How exactly did they harm you? "They both contribute to the government to write laws favorable to them, reducing their tax burden and increasing mine" - this would be the takeaway I would like you to have, not the propaganda about how they mistreat people. I get what you are saying, but the capital is not what harms you, its how they interact with the thing the can harm you, the government.

What power do Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have over you?

Cool, what part did I miss? Also Adam Smith died hundreds of years ago, so I am not sure why he would be the go to for this.

Yes exactly, those lobbyists exist because there is a huge amount of power to take so they can control us.

I agree, but the bigger the government the less capitilism there is because they are controlling the system. I am not saying its good or bad, but the economic system is highly controlled.

I think a big issue is that people call things that are not capitlatist "capitalist". The US is called capitalist, but it has the largest government in the history of the world, that is not capitalism.

He is old and he had rough weekend, seems pretty expected. Seems quite irrelevant relative to everything else.

Can you give me an example of "it finds services and then chokes out competition until the system is ineffient" that doesnt include heavy government intervention?

Healthcare is one of the most highly regulated industries in existence, I understand why you guys go to it, but its hard to parse out what is what and how cheaply it could be done by truly free market organizations.

The government’s “structural nature” doesn’t mean much, every company is structured and just as inefficient.

This is objectively false. The issue is the government has no reason to be efficient, so it is not. What you are probably seeing is huge companies that are exteremly ineffeicent because they are propped up by government money and regulations. And I fully understand anecdotes, but its not anecdotes, its how the government works. The government organization can say "we will pay 2x or more for the same product because we want certain specs that are unnecessary". Private organizations cant do this or their competitors will take their business. You can allude to data or "scientific conclusions" that pretends this isnt real, but I can guarantee you its propaganda. If its not then point to one thing the government does cheaper than private businesses in a minorly regulated field. Since I can point to many where private businesses objectively do better, you should be able to point to one.

You are claiming that they can do what they want, but that is backed by boots on the ground. Is that going to be you, or are you going to force my children to fight your wars?

I understand what you are saying, but it is a fact that beyond basic safety and infrastructure, higher taxes equals less growth. Trickle down is not a thing and was never a thing, it was a propaganda term used to attack lower taxes. You can believe that we should have taxes for a variety of things (and I would agree) but the government just makes this less efficient by its strucutral nature.

The reason I am getting downvotes is because this place is full of people that are tribal and get mad when you disagree. I feel like I have a pretty good basis of knowledge for this; I worked for the government, I worked as a company that worked with the government, and now I am forced to follow their rules which literally makes my whole town worse and poorer.