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This may come as a surprise to you, but special needs children are also human beings, and leashing them is wrong too.

Go back and re-read the thread

So do non-special needs kids.

Maybe your parents should have leashed you, maybe you’d wander off the fucking topic less.

Baseless ad hominem.

HOW is giving your toddler exercise when they’d otherwise be out in the stroller wrong?

Do you think it is possible to get your toddler some exercise outside of the stroller without using a leash? Hint: most parents don't use leashes on their kids?

You still can’t grasp your video thing isn’t indictive of literally anything.

It's much more indicative of my point than the video that you found supporting yours!

Guess what?

I specified TODDLER.

Leashing toddlers is wrong too...And reality doesn't give a fuck about what you specified. You don't mean shit to nearly everyone on the planet.

Yes it is really easy to find video and media of children not on leashes, which conversely shows how hard it is to find videos of children (or even toddlers, why the fuck not) who are on leashes, because it's not fucking common.

If you said "Amputees are common" and I said "If they're so common, show me some media with a bunch of amputees in it" and you have to fucking dig for it, while I can pick a piece of media at random and expect it not to have any amputees in it, it's probably a really good fucking indicator that amputees aren't fucking common, right?!

Amazon sells leashes sizesd for 12yr olds.

I do not believe for a second that a 12 year old would sit there allowing themselves to be leashed. Some 12 year olds are basically full grown adult sized people.

Well you're wrong.

Sure. 3 plus kids, in crowded spaces next to a STREET! It's amazing they all survived.

On a related note, I didn't have to do anything special to find you that video. I just looked for "New Community Festival" and picked the first one that wasn't about a mass shooting. You know why it was so easy to find? Because leashing kids is not normal.

https://youtu.be/5Hb1ID12dzo

Took me less than a minute. Kids of all ages in the video, not a single one on a leash.

It's not normal to leash kids.

Why are you acting like people are leashing 8-10 year olds.

The kids I saw leashed were primarily in the 6-12 range if I had to guess. They absolutely were not 2-4.

What a stupidly arbitrary and specific demand for proof.

I can find you a video of a news report with kids in the background where none of them are leashed in just a few minutes, mainly because the vast majority of children are not put on leashes.

Your gay analogy doesn't work, because a culture of persecuting and demonizing gay people for thousands of years might have something to do with their refusal to publicly out themselves.

You apparently being sheltered isn’t a good argument.

Complete missed where I had traveled across the US as a kid.

I don't think I was a sheltered kid. 7 of us vs one parent at a time didn't leave a lot of bandwidth for them to be helicopter parents. Wasn't a latchkey kid either. I'd walk myself and my brothers home from school most days. During the summer we'd walk down to the pool on our own, or sometimes take a younger sibling with us if they wanted to go (surprise surprise, no leashes at the pool) or we'd walk across town and grab snacks from the grocery store (still no leashes).

Leashing kids is not normal, if you don't believe me, try to find video of a place where more than 3 are leashed in the background of a news report or puff piece.

The vast majority of kids aren't leashed. It's not normal.

It's not perfectly normal. Believe it or not, I was a child at one time. Never put on a leash. My brothers and sisters, never leashed. Nieces and nephews? No leashes for them. Okay maybe it's just my family.

Going to parties with other kids? Never saw a child on a leash there.

Out of state? I traveled many states as a kid, I didn't see other kids on leashes at the ST. Louis Arch, nor at the Smithsonian.

The first time I saw a kid on a leash, was in Atlanta, at age 14.

It. Is. Not. Fucking. Normal.

Why don't you write a snide comment that adds nothing to the conversation?

Nevermind, you already did.

Think about when you saw those kids on leashes… were they upset about the leash?

Probably, but I think at that point they'd learned not to complain to the person holding the lead that can yank them around like a dog.

I can tell you they weren't playing with the other kids. They were the only kids at the aquarium watching their parent more than the fish.

If it's so normal, where are all the movies and TV shows that portray kids on leashes? Where are the documentaries where people are waking around with leashed kids in the background? You don't see it, because it's not normal (in the US at least) outside of some very regressive areas.

Sometimes bringing them along to a place with you is the only way they’ll have supervision.

I think we need to make a distinction between places that are dangerous for kids, and places that are inconvenient for parents. You don't have to take your toddler on a cliff walk, and you don't need to leash them at the grocery store, or the bank.

My guy, are you familiar with the Declaration of Independence?

Leashing kids is not normal, or acceptable.

I grew up with 6 siblings, and divorced parents. Never in my life have I, or my siblings, been leashed (by our parents at least).

I'd never even seen a child on a leash until I went to the Georgia Aquarium, where I saw lots of kids on leashes. All the kids had the same kind of parent holding the lead. Some huge bitch with her nose stuck in her phone instead of enjoying the day with her kid that she fucking paid for.

Leashes are not normal, they are a sign of abuse.

"Oh, it's needed for the kid's safety"

No, it is not. I've been to cliffs, canyons, Yellowstone, caves and big cities in all kinds of venues, and I've only seen kids on leashes specifically in child-friendly venues, playgrounds, museums, and zoos, in the Bible-belt areas of the US. It's not dangerous for kids to be off a leash and have some autonomy. If you are taking them to a place where it's dangerous for them to act like children...then why the fuck are you taking them there in the first place?!

"My kid has special needs..."

Still doesn't need a fucking leash. I worked at a daycamp for special needs children, and we never leashed or even restrained a child unless they were doing something dangerous to themselves or others. Even then, there was paperwork for the incident, and the restraint was always temporary. At 16 years old, I was a camp counselor for 4 special needs children at a time. An adult does not need a leash for just one.

There is one thing that leashes give parents, and that is a sense of physical domination of their child. Anything else is just an excuse.

Same. Left pocket is phone, and phone alone.

Right pocket is everything else.

Someone better tell Michelangelo!

Wild.

Either way, sounds like there is more than one representation of god that would be capable of having hands, so it's probably just one of those instead of Jesus in the painting.

Bro can't manifest a hand while doing a matrix time stop to redirect a bullet.

So much for omnipotence I guess.

Also, wasn't humanity made in god's image?

Doesn't Jesus refer to god as a separate entity?

Here I am looking for logical consistency in religion, the very definition of logical inconsistency.