BrooklynMan @ BrooklynMan @lemmy.ml

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oh, hai guys

Of course it is. It’s not a 1:1 comparison

no, it really isn't--it's not a 1000:1 comparison. AI generative models are advanced relational algorithms and databases. they don't work at all the way the human mind does.

but the way generative AI works and the we incorporate styles and patterns are more similar than not. Besides, if a tensorflow script more closely emulated a human’s learning process, would that matter for you? I doubt that very much.

no, the results are just designed to be familiar because they're designed by humans, for humans to be that way, and none of this has anything to do with this discussion.

Having to individually license each unit of work for a LLM would be as ridiculous as trying to run a university where you have to individually license each student reading each textbook. It would never work.

nobody is saying it should be individually-licensed. these companies can get bulk license access to entire libraries from publishers.

That’s not materially different from how anyone learns to write.

yes it is. you're just framing it in those terms because you don't understand the cognitive processes behind human learning. but if you want to make a meta comparison between the cognitive processes behind human learning and the training processes behind AI generative models, please start by citing your sources.

The difference is that a human’s ability to absorb information is finite and bounded by the constraints of our experience. If I read 100 science fiction books, I can probably write a new science fiction book in a similar style. The difference is that I can only do that a handful of times in a lifetime. A LLM can do it almost infinitely and then have that ability reused by any number of other consumers.

this is not the difference between humans and AI learning, this is the difference between human and computer lifespans.

There’s a case here that the renumeration process we have for original work doesn’t fit well into the AI training models

no, it's a case of your lack of imagination and understanding of the subject matter

and maybe Congress should remedy that

yes

but on its face I don’t think it’s feasible to just shut it all down.

nobody is suggesting that

Something of a compulsory license model, with the understanding that AI training is automatically fair use, seems more reasonable.

lmao

that's not for me to decide. as I said, it is for either the courts to decide or for the content owners and the AI companies to negotiate a settlement (for prior infringements) and a negotiated contracted amount moving forward.

also, I agree that's it's a massive clusterfuck that these companies just purloined a fuckton of copyrighted material for profit without paying for it, but I'm glad that they're finally being called out.

i admit it's a hug issue, but the licensing costs are something that can be negotiated by the license holders in a structured settlement.

moving forward, AI companies can negotiate licensing deals for access to licensed works for AI training, and authors of published works can decide whether they want to make their works available to AI training (and their compensation rates) in future publishing contracts.

the solutions are simple-- the AI companies like OpenAI, Google, et al are just complaining because they don't want to fork over money to the copyright holders they ripped off and set a precedent that what their doing is wrong (legally or otherwise).

there are a lot of possible ways to audit an AI for copyrighted works, several of which have been proposed in the comments here, but what this could lead to is laws requiring an accounting log of all material that has been used to train an AI as well as all copyrights and compensation, etc.

Isn’t learning the basic act of reading text?

not even close. that's not how AI training models work, either.

if your position is that only humans can learn and adapt text

nope-- their demands are right at the top of the article and in the summary for this post:

Thousands of authors demand payment from AI companies for use of copyrighted works::Thousands of published authors are requesting payment from tech companies for the use of their copyrighted works in training artificial intelligence tools

that broadly rules out any AI ever

only if the companies training AI refuse to pay

both lemmy.ml and lemmy.world have had login issues for the last 2 days-- and 2FA isn't the issue.

from what little I've gathered from various posts and the lemmy matrix chat, both sites were experiencing a massive DDoS attack, and may have disabled logins, however, that doesn't explain the lack of communication from either team or how long it's been disabled (almost 2 days).

current session still work, and (at least yesterday) resetting your password was a workaround to log into you account, but if you log out, you can't log back in again.

this is all I know so far...

it asked me to create an account when I started up the app, then claimed I "wasn't on the list" then had me sign up for a wait list.

yet another web browser that promises the world and delivers... nothing.

deleted.

oh, look, musk made yet another stupid, impulsive decision that could have disastrous, short- and long-term consequences for twitter er... "x"

sadly (and frighteningly), a growing number of state legislatures don't give a fuck what voters want.

every accusation is a confession with these people

someone’s got a case of the not-gays...

pirates supported same-sex marriage, so I’ll go with that 🏳️‍🌈

we haven’t spoken in years, and my life is much better for it. making the decision to go no-contact was a difficult one, but it was the right one. one day I’ll hear that one - then the other - has died. I won’t go to their funerals, but I may take the time - once in a while - to visit their graves on their birthdays.

to piss on them.

I also like Dan Stevens. I was really surprised to hear that he was cast, but given his talent and how great he was in those two very different roles you mentioned, I think he’s probably going to be a lot of fun as Korvo. I look forward to seeing it!

oh, yeah, then definitely not

there’s a couple of games that I love from the 90s (Ultima Underworld I & II) that I’ve considered doing this with, but I don’t know nearly enough about game development.

very cool, though.

I suppose that they could release it for free as an open-source project and not brother with all of that

Gibson was correct about much of our education system and Galileo was certainly right about the consequences of overvaluing mediocre wit that merely happened to well-timed. what neither of them had to content with, however, was the internet and how social media can combine the inability to reason critically and mediocre wit with crippling insecurities and anti-social personalities to what should be predictable results.

a least Gibson understood that a technocratic future didn’t imply that people’s lives would necessarily improve.