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has even offered him the option of vegetarian meals

That doesn't necessarily work at all. Vegans don't eat food that contain or are prepared with any dairy or egg product. It's very likely all of their vegetarian meals are not Vegan accessible.

Word - My point isn't about this particular guy so much as the precedent to be set for all incarcerated people, and the commentary people have surrounding it.

Can the state require you to eat the body or bodily fluids of someone you affirm has rights to bodily autonomy, someone we know to be wholly innocent because they lack agency?

I concede, we can't know for sure. They do still got to get him a b12 supp as well. Could be getting that too.

Edit: In retrospect, even with potatoes I think he would still be vitamin A, D, & calcium deficient. He'd need some veggies and fortified soy milk to complete the needs. Still, not a big ask.

This would make a huge difference, I agree. Its not exactly a meal. But they literally only need to give the guy potatoes.

Nobody said the guy is entirely ethical ¯(ツ)/¯

I don't think being forced to consume death/murder is the answer to him not being ethical with people's funds.

Hey, nobody said he was a wholly good person. Dude's going to jail for a reason.

Vitamin B12, C, D, calcium, & omega 3 will for sure not be nutritionally met.

Veganism is not strictly a dietary choice. Look into ethical veganism. In the UK, Ethical Vegans are a legally protected class. I understand they are not legally protected in America - this does not require me to change my position at all. I made it clear that it's my opinion, and I presented how I would personally feel to be in his position and what I might consider just to have that ethical belief respected.

Likely yes, but bread can have animal product in it. In any case it is not nutritionally complete.

I support the right to abstain from putting murdered or otherwise non-consenting conscious beings bodily fluid inside your body, irrespective of person. No need to mischaracterize.

Admittedly if he held a religion that he claimed required meat consumption I would be in favor of not accommodating him. Thankfully, no major religion does this, because as it turns out in trying to seek ethical practice, they all arrive at the idea that abstaining from killing conscious beings is morally good.

Well homie I've got evidence that suggests he is and you have none that says he isn't so I'm just going to work with that.

The equivalency I've provided is equivalent. If animals were moral agents with bank accounts he may have done the same to them while still respecting their bodily autonomy. But they are just moral subjects with no bank accounts, so I'm only going to make equivalent what is certain. I don't think you can certainly say he respects non-human animals more than humans.

Ironic he can respect animals more than people

He doesn't eat humans or variations of incarcerated pregnant ladies' nonconsensually acquired breast milk. He respects them at least the same actually.

He has been Vegan since at least April 2021. He was not arrested until December 2022. It's not a circus show. The dude's ethical beliefs in regards to Veganism are not in question. They need to be respected.

He is Vegan. Irrespective of how we feel about what he did, the failure to address his core ethical beliefs is completely unacceptable. This would never occur if his belief was rooted in ideas of a higher being or afterlife. Not that I'm planning on going to jail anytime soon, but the thought that I would not be able to abide by that daily practice of my life would be incredibly distressing. Unless he is doing it for environmental reasons (I don't know) he likely seeks total animal liberation, and you're going to force feed him stolen animal secretions? Coproducts of dead baby cows, blended up chicks, and beings bred into painful bodies? The alternative is malnutrition? I would highly consider Jainism or Sikhism on this fact alone. Fuck you if you think he should be forced to go against his ethical beliefs.

The non human animal thing is about the confusing attitudes & behaviors humans have towards them, and how they are unequally applied based on arbitrary traits or nebulous concepts. In other words, in consideration of those individuals who desire to not be used or exploited, why everyone currently exploiting them needs to consider changing those attitudes & behaviors.

Based.

Yes let all the Nazis racists eugenicists etcetera run wild because we don't want to censor based on morality 🥺🥺