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Antifa might be violent, but they are violent in their opposition to violent ideologies, not to random members of the public. Aaron Danielson, I'll take a guess, is the single example of someone actually being killed by a far left terrorist in the US in a 25 year period, mentioned by the earlier commenter.

far left extremists are completely capable of terrorist and other deadly behaviours the question is when and where.

Sure, I mean Pol Pot was a communist, he killed loads of people in Cambodia in the 1970s. But today? There is objective evidence that the far right is worse!

i concur,this conversation isn’t really going anywhere other than you trying to change my mind on the left.

I'm trying to convince you, and anyone reading this, that the left is not the same as the right. If you can't see that, well that's on you. You have been deluded by the right. You think you're in the middle, but you aren't. You are sitting with and minimising the abundant actual crimes of racists and bigots by trying to equate them with trivial internet bullshit and a single solitary actual murder.

the right wing nutjobs are crazy for sure but the left wing nutjons are getting crazier.

Hahahah, the left is getting more reasonable with time, not less! I mean, I refer again to Pol Pot, do you see anyone like that on the left today? Nowadays the right are just getting more sensitive, and people like you are whining because you aren't allowed to be transphobic without people being mean to you and hurting your feelings. Get a grip.

both end of the extreme aren’t that much different in a sense that they are basically extremes that drives people to behaving badly, uncivil,intolerant and discrimitory

The extremes are different, the behaviours are different... wildly so! One extreme involves advocating for the extermination of entire peoples, while the best example of the other extreme you can come up with so far is accusing people of transphobia! How can you think these are the same? And they "drive" people to obviously very different ends, too! The far right version of "behaving badly" is fucking murdering people, while the far left version is apparently being mean to you on the internet.

Please, provide an example of leftists actually doing something you think is as bad as killing people, or advocating genocide. Otherwise it seems like you are the apologist - and you aren't just an apologist of some nebulous group who you won't define, as you accused me of, you are actually being an apologist for far right child murderers. Because by comparing the far right's crimes to something as people on the internet policing language you are minimising those crimes, and that is a disservice to the victims of those crimes.

so you tell me,when the extreme left wingers are found not guilty of doing the same as their right wing counter parts??

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Are you suggesting that modern leftists are fascists?

The origin of this conversation was the your idea that left- and right-wing extremism is the same. My position is they are different. I'm not saying that people on the far left don't do some of the things that the Nazis did. It would be impossible, really, I mean they also built roads but I'm not about to call civil engineers Nazis. Looking at modern (i.e. neo-) Nazis, my point is that they are not comparable to left-wing extremists around today. Their views are not similar, their goals are not similar, their methods are not similar. Can you find a racist leftist? Of course. Can you find a non-racist Nazi? No.

I'll stop using Nazis or neo-Nazis as examples, though, because it's clearly not helpful. Consider white supremacists, instead, if that helps.

Going back to the other commenter who shared the blog post - we see that far right extremism is responsible for >90% of extremist murders in the US in recent years. Clearly far left extremism cannot compete! The trans activists you mentioned earlier, are they similar? Are they going out and killing people? I glossed over it before but your point was that they "label" anyone who "disagrees with them" as a transphobe... Even if you disagree with that label, it hardly seems comparable to killing people. ___

I would define a Nazi as someone who follows or supports the socio-political ideology Nazism - to quote Wikipedia:

the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.

I would also include neo-Nazis who, again quoting Wiki:

seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology

I will grant you that some people use the word in a much weaker way (see "grammar nazi"), which I find frustrating but I have to acknowledge is a modern usage... but not the one I have been using in this conversation.

What is "behaving like a nazi" to you? Are these trans activists advocating the extermination of the Jews? No? Then they probably aren't fucking Nazis are they.

It's hilarious that you're accusing trans activists of "labelling anyone who disagrees with them" as teansphobes... While yourself labelling anyone you disagree with a nazi, with no regard to what the word actually means!

Please, define what Nazi means to you, because otherwise this conversation is pointless.

Edit to add: and seriously, to you "trans women are women" is the same level as "we should exterminate the Jews"? What the fuck dude?

If someone is behaving like a nazi they aren't a left wing extremist. The OG Nazis called themselves socialists - but they were not socialists, were they? They were fascists.

Can you show me any of these extremists who you think are both on the left and Nazis? And explain why you think they are both of those things?

And to be clear - I am not calling all right wing extremists Nazis. All Nazis are right wing extremists, not all right wing extremists are Nazis. You seem to be content to throw the word around for anyone who you disagree with, but it is in fact a word that represents a specific political ideology which occupies a particular place on the spectrum.

Must be one of those new Microsoft AI laptops.

What are you talking about? Nazism is a fundamentally right-aligned ideology, how can you argue otherwise? You can invent definitions of what "left" or "right" means to suit you if you want, but why bother saying anything if you're going to make up the meanings of words?

Can you tell me what a "leftist" is? Or what they might want for the world? Can you tell me what a Nazi is? And then why you think there are parallels?

I just don't believe that anyone who understands what these words mean would think they are alike.

Extremes are all relative, no? The political views that are centrist today would be extreme 100 years ago. Just saying they're extreme and therefore bad is a weak argument.

Sure there are bigots on both sides, there are bigots outside the extremes too. There are centrist bigots! There, now I've shown that extremism is just the same as centrism... Obviously that doesn't work, though, does it? You can't just pick one thing that happens and say "well everyone does this so they're all the same"... Does it happen to the same degree? What are it's consequences?

I think you'll find significantly more racism, sexism, etc on the right... Far right extenists are literal Nazis and white supremacists! Feminism, the civil rights movement, pride movement, etc, are all left-aligned... Extremist leftists sometimes lose sight of one aspect of this, but they so obviously aren't the same as literal fucking Nazis!

Here you go (although it's not very different)

One death from left wing extremism in 25 years, versus 329 from the right, 32900% more. To say that this is the "same shit" is clearly absurd. We aren't discussing the merits of the middle ground. You seem to be suggesting that just because something is labelled as "extremist" it is automatically bad, regardless of what it actually is or what harm it causes.

Did you read any of that?

You won't hear "briddish" in the UK, just hard Ts or glottal stops (bri'ish).

You could still make runes as a hobby I guess. Sell em on Etsy and call yourself a modern Runemaster

The former, certainly, but companies routinely invent things that people haven't asked for (although certainly they will do some level of consumer acceptance testing).

Sorry, somehow totally skipped over the part of your comment where you said you worked as a waiter! I didn't intend to explain your own job to you at all haha. There are definitely demographic differences I've noticed, and specific workplaces... I've worked a relatively small number of customer service jobs. Cafe was broadly as the previous commenter described, maybe 5-10% of people were.. not great. Although, no shouting or anything when I worked there. Just rude, entitled people. Pubs are not so bad, in my limited experience, drunk people are annoying but in a different way. The worst was a job where I had to take customer calls (not quite a call centre)... There I had to deal with the closest thing to a "Karen".

If you are visiting a restaurant you really only get a sense of what's happening at your table. Same when you reach a cashier - you might overhear what happens straight ahead, but not much more than that. People can be very rude without being very loud - if you work in customer service you have to deal with these people all the time, and you can't escalate things either. It's not something other customers are aware of.

She's even explicitly stated she wants to be left alone with her family to recover. I mean, fuck the lot of them, the leeches... But also, yknow, she's human and suffering and just leave her alone for god's sake.

Is there a cracked version floating around yet?

Sounds like this is in many cases less that what apple is charging.