They split the ticket. Meet the abortion rights voters who also went for Trump
BlitzoTheOisSilent @ BlitzoTheOisSilent @lemmy.world Posts 1Comments 274Joined 1 yr. ago
No, to the point where I've had a few friends and family members offer to buy me decorations (or they'll text me of ones on sale), and I always turn them down.
Halloween, I'll put out a pumpkin if I'm feeling frisky, but that's about it. Christmas, I've considered getting a tree, and had a roommate that had a really small plastic one with two ornaments that'd we'd put out.
But they're too expensive, they're too much work to put up/take down (especially outside in the snow), they take up too much room both while in use and in storage, my dog would probably fuck with them or be afraid of them (Halloween), they drive electricity use and cost up, they can be stolen, they can increase fire risk, I normally live alone so it'd only be for my dog and I, the list goes on.
I tell friends/family, particularly for Christmas since many of them can't believe I just don't do decorations, that I draw a Christmas tree on a piece of paper and tape it to my wall every year. Costs $0.05 in ink, paper, and tape, and 5 minutes to put up and take down. Easily movable, lightweight, efficient.
The DNC clearly needs progressives to win, and yet liberals refuse to do anything but antagonize and insult and condescend to leftists.
We tried "incremental change" with Hillary in 2016 and lost, Biden leaned more on progressive talking points and won (barely). The DNC saw that and said, "alright, so 2024, we're gonna go hard right again."
All the while, leftists and progressives, throughout the campaign, were vocally calling for policies that better reflected their needs and concerns. They weren't asking for everything, but they wanted something to show them the DNC was willing to compromise with them.
Instead, people like you and the Harris campaign, doubled down on Republican-lite policies because "stop fascism," condescended to and screamed at anyone who tried to criticize Harris and her policies during the, refused to meet us, the leftists they need to win the election, anywhere in the middle, but then extended a warm and welcoming arm to Cheney and her Republican ilk.
So why is it the Democrats are more willing to compromise with Republicans who won't vote for them, but not compromise with their own constituents looking for a progressive option to vote for rather than only an option to vote against?
If the government doesn't take care of his poor, minorities, what are they doing.
Grifting and insider trading.
Why'd the cookie go to the hospital?
He was feeling crummy!
What'd the envelope say to the stamp?
Stick with me, kid, we'll go places.
Liberals will do any amount of mental gymnastics to point the finger at anyone but themselves.
Harris lost Michigan by less people than voted Uncommitted during the primaries. They might be a "fringe group," but Harris sure could've used some of their votes, don't you think?
Once again, I fucking understand what you're saying, quoting it for the third time doesn't make it sound anymore correct. What part of "To go to the middle, you have to compromise from the left, and therefore are already giving up on progress" do you not seem to understand?!
We're on the same side, I'm telling you the average American doesn't give a flying fuck. "We need to play the political blah blah" we've been listening to it for fucking decades, shit or get off the pot. The Democrats don't want to pass progressive policy, they don't want progressive voices at the forefront of their party, and "meeting them in the middle and becoming centrists to then infiltrate them" is so fucking ass backwards I'm tired of you parroting it at me like it's some groundbreaking idea.
The DNC chooses their candidates that they back and run, they choose to run centrists across the country, all they have to do is shift the party platform and run more progressive candidates. They've had the ability to do so for decades, and they just fucking won't.
So I don't understand why you think working with them, compromising with them when they do nothing but give empty promises and bullshit excuses, is somehow going to magically turn the party left because of one cult-like candidate (who we had, btw, Bernie, the DNC shit all over him, remember) who "centralizes power."
We both want the party to move left, I think you're way of doing so is ass backwards, and you, mine. So I'm done with this discussion.
No, I didn't miss it, you just will never convince me that progress can only be made by riding in the middle. Harris needed to be a shift left that a lot of people in this country are desperate for, and instead, she chose centrist policies and pandering to Republicans for their votes.
The "political" game is over, we needed actual change, and we got it, just not from the candidate we needed.
Oh it's an absolute joke. The most recent is a guy speaking to me like I'm a misguided child who was fooled into spending my fun money on a rock.
No, dude, the Democratic Party isn't progressive, and I'm tired of them demanding my vote while giving me the finger and making no progress. I still voted Harris, begrudgingly, but I've been "had" and "need to go rest and come back when I feel better."
She ran a shit campaign and lost, and her policies offered little to the average American beyond "not fascism," I'm not misguided, her and the Democrats fucked up. Like they always do.
Every Republican family member except one that I've asked about Bernie has said more or less the following:
I like him, I like that he's not Dem/Repub, he's got the country's best interest at heart, etc.
Then it's usually followed by how he'd never get a chance, and then it revolves back to why Dems suck and repubs rule, or at best, "they're both the same."
You are 100% right: people want change, they want progress, and regardless of how shitty he is, Trump got things done that his base wanted.
Clinton, then Biden, and now Harris, promise marginal improvements to the status quo while dismissing large swaths of their electorate that don't fall in line.
If they ran progressive candidates with progressive policies, they'd pull voters from all over. But they wont, hence, fascism.
But if you point this out on Lemmy, you're a MAGA Trumper with six Trump dildos shoved up your ass and a fetish for fascism.
then moving to the middle is the only logical option.
And Democrats will continue to lose because of this. Americans are tired of progress not happening, so I have to disagree with you.
Democrats needed to rally the country and get them excited behind a progressive candidate actually willing to reflect their constituency. But they won't, because that's somehow considered radical by Democrats.
The Democrats keep trying this middle-of-the-road status quo bullshit, and they keep losing. So maybe middle of the road isn't the play anymore.
What the fuck happened?
Four years of a milquetoast, centrist Democrat telling the American people what they're living isn't the actual reality of the situation. Biden's admin kept rolling out the "soft landing, economy is doing great," schtick despite numerous news outlets reporting Americans don't feel like it's an economy working for them.
Then that Democrat finally stepping aside, too late for his constituents to have a say in who they want representing them. And then she ran on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform that didn't inspire the majority of Americans, who are so apathetic based on decades of being ignored by politicians they just don't vote. Because what's the point?
Harris played it safe and it looks like she's going to lose anyway, so maybe she should've considered more progressive ideas. Or maybe listened to her constituents instead of doing what Democrats always fucking do, and playing off the "you have to vote for us because we're not them."
But no, let's blame the voters for a candidate failing to win them over.
If Trump wins, there is no one to blame but Harris and the Democrats, full stop. If we fall to fascism, which I hope we don't (I already begrudgingly voted Harris this morning), I will blame no one but the Democrat Party.
They chose to ignore the Muslim/Arab voices protesting this past year, they chose to run on a moderate presidential platform, and they refuse to denounce a genocide, or even do anything about it (Biden is still president, and has continued to do nothing but send Netanyahu whatever he wants).
You all want Muslim/Arab voters to vote for Harris to prevent fascism, well, they wanted you all to take their wants seriously, and Biden/Harris haven't.
So if they lose, it's on the Democrat party, not anyone else.
And his wife? How is she holding up?
Only thing I'll disagree with you here is the machinist comment. My dad's been a machinist for like 45 years now, same industry, same building.
He is constantly complaining to me that they can't find machinists, or even people who are willing to learn. I have zero machining experience, and he was trying to get me hired at one point, that's how desperate they were getting.
And it's not a bad company, to be clear, they're a government contractor, have very good benefits, competitive pay (he's even complained they've given guys with a year's experience multi-dollar raises to keep them), etc.
According to him, if you have mechanical aptitude and are willing to learn all of the intricacies of machining, you can and will make a decent salary for the rest of your life so long as you're willing to work.
Yep, the Democrats didn't even allow a Palestinian to speak at the DNC, but they had how many Republican politicians come on stage?
The Democrats have ignored the Muslim/Arab community almost entirely this election cycle, and are now freaking out because their Status-Quo policy decisions might have cost them the election.
And when you point this out on Lemmy, you're screamed at for being a Trump supporter and wanting Gaza leveled. No, we just wanted our party leadership to reflect the wants of the majority of their constituents for once.
I was told to grow up the other day for simply pointing out why Muslim/Arab voters may be struggling internally with voting for Harris. Just, y'know, applying empathy and putting myself into someone's shoes who has way more involved in that than I do.
When I pointed out that this is why Democrats lose voters (they're condescending and dismissive to their own party because their issues/concerns aren't "convenient" right now) I'm screamed at for supporting Trump and how much worse it would be.
100,000 voters cast protest votes during the primaries in just Michigan alone over the Palestinian genocide, it's clearly an important issue to your constituents and they deserve to be treated with respect. Not condescension and insults, as if they can't possibly comprehend their choices here.
Third comma? It's a lot cheaper to bribe a US politician than that. Many will vote in your favor for a few thousand dollars in campaign contributions.
It'll probably be like when Trump and the DEA signaled they may want to start going after weed smokers in states that legalized it despite it being federally illegal.
The response from the states was, "Go ahead, but we're not helping you in any way."
And the DEA dropped it, I imagine because they didn't have the money or manpower to do pursue further.
Doctors are licensed at the state level, so the fed can't (currently) revoke medical licenses afaik. They can threaten to pull federal funding from hospitals and research centers, but that isn't all funding, and their own voter base has been vocally opposed to anything that makes healthcare worse (and also supported abortion rights at the state level this past election, even in states that went Trump).
Obviously, I could be completely wrong and they've (Trump and his ilk) already got avenues to counteract all of these barriers (and any I'm not thinking of). But I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic that, unless Trump plans on sending federal agents to every surgical suite and pharmacy/drug store in the country, I don't see a federal ban being enforceable without the help of the states.
And they will (hopefully) give Trump the finger. Cautiously optimistic.