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  • Now to say that you cut family off because of how they vote

    But cutting family off because they share a different political viewpoint

    Again, that's not what's happening here. Stop misrepresenting what people are saying to you.

    People who snivel about sensitive feelings when they have absolutely no idea

    This you?

    The way people are writing off family instead of just talking to them is awful.

    This is the most circular argument I've ever been a part of. Can't say I didn't try.

  • I have friends who were abandoned by their parents and subsequently adopted. I lost a half-sibling with mental illness after their religious paternal family subjected them to actual exorcisms and other emotional trauma which eventually led to their suicide. My wife has a new 60-year old biological sister that she discovered 2 years ago via DNA. I have friends who cut ties with physically and sexually abusive parents. Family is quite mutable, we are under no obligation to hold fast to toxic blood relatives, and in many cases what we consider "reprehensible" depends entirely on how "reprehensible" the blood relative's committed offenses are.

    I'm going to assume you're just arguing from extremely limited personal experience and save the long list of expletives I want to hurl at you on behalf of my friends and family because I'd prefer not to be banned from this community. Good day to you.

  • Trust me, most of us have tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried. Some certainly may have preemptively cut people out without discussion, but most of us have beaten our heads against a wall for almost a decade now, trying to convince them that we're human beings with dignity who deserve respect. We just withdraw from engagement, piece by piece, until there's nothing lost by just giving up. Cutting them off is usually the last and most consequential move, rather than the first.

  • The way people are writing off family instead of just talking to them is awful.

    What makes you think we haven't tried talking to them?

  • "First they came for the communists..."

    Stay safe. Keep your head down.

  • Yeah I've seen those stats before. I can point to data and testimony, too:

    https://www.wesa.fm/politics-government/2024-10-23/pennsylvania-jewish-voters-trump-israel-democrats

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/22/politics/jewish-voters-pennsylvania-election/index.html

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-election-how-jewish-voters-could-decide-key-swing-state-of-pennsylvania/3369969

    https://www.jta.org/2024/10/21/politics/in-philadelphias-suburbs-jewish-canvassers-target-jewish-voters

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/us/politics/jewish-voters.html

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-825876

    Her lack of change from Biden is much more risky move in terms of losing Pennsylvania.

    I'll note that none of your surveys asked voters how importantly they rate current levels antisemitism, or whether or not they'd vote for one candidate over another if Iran launched a military attack on Israel after we withdrew aid. Overall the questions in those surveys (I've read them) are perfect examples of framing choices in a systematic way to arrive at answers you want to hear. Are they wrong? Not necessarily? But do they capture the whole picture? Hardly.

    And furthermore, the fact that the "uncommitted" folks (plus Jews and Arabs in both swing states) are stumping for Trump rather than just opting out completely proves that their primary concern is absolutely not the Palestinian people. When you turn away from the person calling for a ceasefire and toward Chief Muslim Ban when he tells Bibi, "Do what you have to do" for the "waterfront property", you've proven your responses to those survey questions are carefully crafted, self-delusional poppycock.

    And in any case, they're about to enjoy the fruits of their labor. They might survive the Project 2025 purge, and their relatives might survive the turning of the sands of Gaza to glass (and then condominiums and casinos), but I doubt it. Y'all want Trump? You're about to get him. Stay vigilant when they come for you.

  • They can and do. And the others can and do. But now she either loses Pennsylvania or Michigan by pissing one of them off. Michigan has 15 electoral votes, and Pennsylvania 19.

    Do the math.

  • Don't tell me. Tell the Jews who were interviewed for those articles.

  • Well then you're about to get what you want. You'll teach her a lesson. Congratulations. Hope it's fucking worth it.

  • Yep, and risk losing Pennsylvania which is a statistical tie. Brilliant tactical move.

  • Additionally, and most interestingly:

    A pro-Trump super PAC called Future Coalition PAC has been placing contradictory ads targeting Arab voters in Michigan and Jewish voters in Pennsylvania. The group’s digital ads in Michigan portray Harris as taking Israel’s side against pro-Palestinian protesters. In Pennsylvania, on the other hand, the group’s ads question her support for Israel and accuse her of “pandering to Palestine.”

    Sorry not sorry, but the left got played like a fiddle by not understanding the more immediate existential threat to their survival, and now I'm afraid we'll all suffer for it. Bibi put Biden in what he knew was an unwinnable situation where he had to choose between appealing to 3% of Michigan voters (Arab-Americans) and appealing to 3% of Pennsylvania voters (Jewish Americans), and now the left flank is turning toward Trump over it and he might win both states:

    “Because the situation has escalated in recent weeks, I think a lot people say what’s the difference?” said Warren David, a third-generation Arab American who is president of Arab America, a digital media platform. “ I am shocked at how many people say they are voting for Trump, when we were talking to people on the streets in bakeries and in different places. Trump is really capitalizing on this.” David said he was approached by a Trump surrogate to appear at his conference in Michigan this weekend and said no. Others — including leaders from the “uncommitted” movement who urged votes against Biden in the Democratic primary race — are appearing, he said.

    Heaven help us all.