YonderEpochs @ Benjaben @lemmy.world

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That's a great point. And truly, it speaks to what may be the root of the problem - skin in the game. Skin in the game shapes how we solve problems. When leaders make it plain they have none, people notice and reasonable problem solving falls apart.

At some point, I personally blame Jack Welch at GE decades ago for pioneering & normalizing this (thanks Behind the Bastards) - companies shifted from prioritizing outcomes for stakeholders to only prioritizing outcomes for shareholders. Historically I think that was because better outcomes for all stakeholders was seen as the primary driver of better outcomes for shareholders. Jack Welch realized they aren't nearly as coupled as everyone thought - over the short term only, a crucial distinction! To be fair, someone else would have, too, if he were never born.

For an example, he pioneered the tactic of closing profitable manufacturing plants that were not as profitable as he wanted - and despite the net loss of profit, and the sudden deep trauma to a town full of human lives - investors liked it. It's the origin of "line goes up".

Oversimplifying a complex issue of course because I don't want this to get any longer, but that behavior really does make two different systems of inputs and outputs that are often in competition with each other. One system for investors, and one for everyone else. And a growing number of people see it, see the different outcomes, and are rightfully enraged.

With that said, angry people are easy to manipulate and abuse, which is counterproductive and bad, and I'm not so much disagreeing with you as offering another point of view. Cheers!

It was just a variant of "woah!", in response to what you posted. I apologize if it came off as something different.

I appreciate your measured takes and inside point of view, more of both are always welcome (not that you need my invitation lol, you're basically famous around here).

The problem I see, though, is all the most morally defensible and procedural fixes require the healthy functioning of institutions that have been weakened, dismantled and / or perverted and turned against us. And a frightening number of us see that now and feel that normal channels for change are closed. I'm not at quite that point myself, but I know how bad it is for so many and I don't blame anyone who reads our current situation that way.

Our institutions no longer fix our problems, and that's growing worse, not better - the deck is getting stacked more and more heavily against us as time goes on.

I'm not advocating mass violence. What I am saying is that executives who create conditions like these, for people suffering under an increasingly-dysfunctional and hopeless system like this, should absolutely expect their lives to be in danger on the daily - out of just pure pragmatism. I'm not putting a value judgment on that, I'm saying it is flat out inevitable.

CEOs frequently measure any and all human events as costs to be managed. Especially these insurance executive pieces of shit. I don't see why a certain number of fairly predictable CEO murders resulting from their hideous behavior should be any different.

I'm choosing to see it that way too. Dude substituted "delay" for "get this motherfucker outta here forever"

Welp, yours is the most creative take I've seen this morning haha, kudos!

Just indicating that the steps taken that you mentioned are far beyond what most people would imagine as expected behavior for encrypted messaging software. Assuming your quote was published somewhere, as being about WhatsApp. I might've misunderstood.

Fucking woof...

I think the idea is that it's like the Global Seed Vault but for knowledge (and it's physically close, too). Maintain copies of important things in such a way that they are designed to survive ~any catastrophe.

Pshaw, let's see you or your deity turn someone into a pillar of salt for looking the wrong way, fuck yeah Team God!

I was definitely including "expanding for extra use" in what I mean by allowing construction, but either way thanks for the info. I've seen some utterly hideous stylistic choices (which, to be fair, seem garish and "loud" by design, I didn't uncover some secret), but I really like when it's done with some care. Probably not a realistic goal in every case, as y'all have helped me see.

The one you posted is utterly jaw dropping :)

Huh, thanks for that perspective, I (US native) was firmly in the "how could they do this?!" camp, but you're right! When old ass buildings are all over the place it's probably much more pressing to figure out how to allow ongoing development and construction, vs. how to preserve the aesthetic of yet another centuries-old brick structure.

Edit to add: ugh I still can't get over how ugly and deliberately discordant it looks, reasonable takes be damned!

She's like an American Cunk lol

This is the exact line I was gonna quote too lol, this story is very specific and fun to read

It was always going to end this way.

The weird man-lifts used to get a side eye from me

Not quite invisible but you could also splash and wade into a pool of strong acid thinking it was water, during what first seemed like a somewhat routine FUBAR maintenance situation...filling your boots etc.

Yeah this sounds REAL off.

The one saving grace is that their one-off custom damn shit always feels well designed, and they move a lotta units (which helps with repairs when everything is GD custom). Dunno if that's changed in recent years.

With that said I avoid them for personal use usually for the same reason, why have a desktop if you don't get the benefit of parts compatibility?!

But don't you see?! Those increased expenses will just be passed along to the scammed!

(No actual point here just thought it was funny to compare to the logic we hear for not punishing other abusive businesses)