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Man look at the rest of these comments, I’m sorry but it’s been nearly constant attacks on the working class since I posted this meme, I may have gotten a bit defensive. Cheers!

Lmao, and being involved in their lives means you get to dictate their experiences?

I find similar issues when I discuss things with liberals. So many are so religiously committed to their parties ideological stances, that they often don’t even realize they are ideological stances, but insist that they’re just “common sense” that the rest of us are too stupid to recognize. No, I won’t support your reactionary policy that neglects the foundational material conditions that create the very issue that you’re seeking to address. No, I won’t succumb to, “Yes what we did was wrong, but we’re past that now” when there has been no meaningful actions taken to ensure that it wouldn’t happen again, and evidence shows that it is still happening and never stopped. No, I won’t cheer on the alphabet agencies just because they’re attacking “the other team”. I think they should be dismantled, and that position doesn’t change based on who they’re attacking right now.

And I’m sure you’ve read all volumes of Capital without ever needing a dictionary or even to Google something.

I’m an anarcho-communist in one of the most secure blue states there is, but thanks for proving my point I made in another comment that liberals argue against their perceptions of peoples beliefs rather than their actual beliefs.

Liberals are the biggest enemy to working class solidarity in my experience. Their smug superiority prevents any meaningful discussion with anyone who does not cowtow to their (mostly state and party line) beliefs. They shit on people to the left of them, and shit on people to the right of them, both in different ways, but with the same result of pushing away anyone who may have been on the fence.

IWW still exists, though it’s much weaker after the sabotage of trade unions by the state.

That doesn’t answer my question though, you claimed that they’re always downright reactionary, I provided evidences to the contrary. You can’t just wave away that evidence because Woody is dead. You ever wonder why the American labor movement had so many wins? Mass movements win change.

Country people led our (US) labor movement in the 1890s-1930s in conjunction with immigrant industrial workers in the big cities and longshoremen and others on the coasts. While there has definitely been a turning away from the left for the working classes in many places, the mere existence of historical working class socialist movements show that it is not an inevitable outcome, and with the proper analysis and action, can be reversed.

I’m sure no marginalization of the working class by the labor aristocracy happens in your country. But really, if it doesn’t, where are you and what methods do you use, cause we could use some help here, I’d say 40% of the people on all sides are completely incapable of empathizing with those outside their class.

Woody Guthrie was a right wing reactionary? The coal workers unions were right wing reactionaries? The IWW, which was at its peak, primarily made up of blue collar industrial workers in a variety of industries, were right reactionaries? I don’t think you have a very solid grasp on labor history, at least in the US.

I’ve managed to radicalize multiple of my blue collar, truck loving, baby Jesus spouting, coworkers. It’s a process, but so was my on radicalization, just a different one due to our different material conditions.

Obviously, you can’t change everyone’s minds, but in my experience, there’s not much mind changing that has to be done in a lot of cases, just education on the root causes of the things they already know and notice.

When one party is telling you that this is the best time in our history, while your wages have gone down for 30 years straight, and the other party is the only one addressing their issues, but is doing so through inflammatory rhetoric and outright lies, it’s easy to see why someone would lean towards one over the other, and why they’d come to believe one sides lies over the other side. The trick is that most rural atomized people recognize most of the same problems in our society, the same way the rest of us do, they’ve just had people telling them lies about why those things are happening.

If you want a mass movement, you have to meet the people where they are. If you want to feel superior, then dunking on rednecks is the way to go. That doesn’t mean accepting bigotry, but recognizing that everyone is at a different stage in their political development, and that it takes a custom catered approach towards each individual in order to best effect said development.

A big problem i see liberals having when trying to change the minds of both leftists and conservatives, is an inability to even consider any aspect of another’s perspective, and a belief in one’s own perceptions as objective reality. In doing so, they will argue against their perception of others beliefs, rather than actually discussing and finding what those beliefs are, or where those beliefs come from.

It’s almost like no one remembers that redneck meant socialist union organizer before it was corrupted to truck loving suburban hillbilly wannabe. The working class is ripe for radicalization, but you have to treat them like full people first, not caricatures.

So I should have my ability to read castrated because you think some books aren’t appropriate? I was reading college level books in elementary school, if books were gated by “age appropriateness”, I would never have become a good reader, because books “my age” were crap. You have no right to dictate what someone else can or can’t read, even your own children. People are their own, you don’t own them.

Honestly, I never heard about it again after that, but I also didn’t go specifically looking, either.

Shout out black vans of secret police grabbing civilians off the streets during the 2020 George Floyd Uprisings.

These aren’t protests by the masses, these are “protests” by investors upset that China is de-risking the real estate market exactly to prevent a Lehman style crash. They stopped publishing youth unemployment because it was useless data, the job of the youth is to become educated, not to work in the economy. Having a low youth unemployment means your youth are either not getting educated, or are being forced to work during their education.

I use the Metcal MX-500P and the Hakko FM-203 system, but they’re both probably overkill if you’re just doing console modding occasionally.

I have the FM-203, and I believe it uses the same tips as the 888D for the standard pencil, right? If so, I can vouch that it’s a good system. I bought about 10 high end tips with it when I bought it 6 or 7 years ago, and I’ve only ever had to replace one. It pushes enough heat for everything I’ve tried, even HDMI port ground pin desoldering when combined with a low melt solder.

I also use the Metcal MX-500P, and other than a quick and easy RMA process a couple years into owning it, it’s even better than the Hakko for smaller soldering, because the induction heating ensures solid heating all the way to the tip. It’s not really necessary for most hobby soldering, but very worth it if you do a lot of microsoldering.

And then someone gets in that decides that “competency” means whatever they want it to mean, and enough of their party mates run with it, and before you know it we’re back to shit like this:

https://i.insider.com/5464ec57ecad044859bb083f

Germany would never use it’s economic advantages to it’s own benefit at the cost of the wider EU… … …

The SPD killed Rosa, I’m not surprised they’re ineffective, they never really understood socialism anyway.