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a group of people overwhelmingly wish to separate

No they don't. You are just flat out fucking wrong.

everyone in the northern hemisphere will be dead from famine in a year or two.

Don't underestimate my will to grow and eat nothing but potatos. If I don't die to bombs I'm making it through that shit.

It has fuck all to do with that. Some in my family own guns. I'm not going to get someone kicking my door down and executing me if I said what he said.

I'll be visited absolutely. But executed by a deathsquad? Fuck no. You're out of your mind.

What the fuck are you talking about this is at the top of /all/ and it's about a socialist country, of course socialists are here.

Feel free to point to the "brigade" organisation that exists, it's a figment of your imagination. Nobody is brigading anything by simply using the fucking site. Are you brigading by being here too then?

Mood music for the thread

https://youtu.be/50EZirQ00dg

Socialism is the transitionary state between capitalism and communism. It exists in a state of warfare between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.

We are very far away from defeating capitalism and such measures will remain in place until we have defeated it globally. What the fuck are you thinking? "Yes I want to give billionaires the ability to own media in my proletarian state so they can spew garbage propaganda until their counter-revolution succeeds". Are you out of your mind? What exactly do you gain from this? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. All you are advocating for is empowering the bourgeoisie to crush and re-exploit you.

Least bloodthirsty liberal.

People post stupid ass shit on the internet. You don't deal with it by summary execution from a deathsquad that kicks down their door you absolute psychopath. You're defending and even advocating for extrajudicial murder. Are you surprised that your country is turning to fascism when this is what you the so-called left advocate for? You're incredibly far right and don't even realise it. When people advocating for extrajudicial deathsquads are supposedly the left of the country it's no fucking wonder america is turning to fascism.

Mate if I made violent threats about the king or prime minister here in the UK I'd get someone politely knocking on my door and giving me a solid talking to. lmao

It is fucking wild that yanks just think this is normal behaviour. You live in a country that will kick down your door and execute you for posting something stupid on the internet and think that's what happens everywhere else?

What a shit take.

What the fuck are you on about?

Not sure anyone deserves to be executed by a door kicking squad of jackbooted goons just for posting stupid shit on the internet. Certainly arrest and investigate them but this shit is dystopian.

I don't understand how people don't understand that control of the means of communication in the hands of the proletariat is a MUST to create a DOTP. Who the fuck do they think owns the media? The proles? Fuck no, the bourgeoisie own the media. It's ALL their media.

To empower the proletariat in the transitionary socialist state you MUST remove the advantages of the bourgeoisie. This is one of the biggest of them.

Yes it is. Your failure to understand China's structure and its goals is a personal failure on your part to seek that information, the information is out there.

I recommend reading this article, from Vijay Prashad's organisation the Tricontinental Institute. It will give you a good run down on China's movement through stages of production and its current goals. If you want to argue Vijay Prashad and his organisation are not leftist you'll have to take that up with Noam Chomsky as well since they work together on practically everything now.

If reading is too much for you (I suspect it is or you wouldn't hold this opinion) then here is a very brief video by Professor Richard Wolff where he cites China as responsible for the globally rising interest in marxism.

If alternatively your position is that marxism is not leftist, you are a right wing clown and politically illiterate.

Actual leftists who don't mind government control of information

Yes, actual leftists. I'm going to quote to you some Marx. This is from Chapter 2 of the Communist Manifesto which is basically a 30 page pamphlet, I suggest you read it. I want you to pay particular attention to number 6.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

As you can see, nothing here is at odds with that.

Actual leftists that are ok with some people being removed from society because of the groups they belong to.

What groups? If you're about to use Adrian Zenz as a source you are a joke. If you're instead claiming that working to abolish the existence of the bourgeoisie is a bad thing you are a clown.

You are so far right that you call anything and everything to your left astroturfing. You've been in a bubble for so long that it's a culture shock when you meet actual leftists.

If it bothers you this much why not just keep some cleaning wipes in your car or bag or something and you'll never have to be uncomfortable again.

Karl Barx

Aw fuck guess I'm anti-healthcare now then

Not impossible, merely very very difficult.

And the alternative is no change and a dying world. So there is no choice whatsoever.