But you are still completely rejecting the idea that the fetus has any right to exist. You still have it fixed in your thoughts that the "bundle of cells" is not actually a form of life. As I said, if there was a scientific consensus on this, that would be a different story. But again, nobody wants to come to that consensus.
Totally not even related (/s): what is your stance on the meat processing industry? Do you feel sympathy for the creatures that do not have a voice?
I'm not against abortion in cases where the mothers life is in danger and cases of proven rape (yeah, I know that one is going to piss people off because many on the pro-abortion side are also on the side of "believe all women no matter what because women never EVER lie about anything! Men are the scourge of the planet and should be eradicated")
I am 100% against using abortion as birth control.
If we could reach a scientific consensus as to when "life" actually starts, I would be 100% for allowing abortion up to that point. But nobody wants to reach that consensus.
My current mindset is based on this: if we found a bundle of living cells (not even a fully formed human) on Mars, our entire world view would change dramatically! Everything would come into question: religion, politics, everything.
Why is it that here on Earth, a bundle of cells isn't given as much weight as it would on another planet? Just because you might have to make sacrifices?
I don't know whether or not we are snuffing out any consciousness when a fetus is aborted, but I do know that neither side of the argument wants to even discuss it because it's either all or nothing, my way or fuck you!
I would rather err on the side of caution. Maybe we should not be so willy nilly about ending possible life. Also, maybe we should come to some kind of acceptable consensus.
Please proceed to post all of your "fuck you for thinking about anything other than unrestricted abortion access!!" comments below:
Edit: I am not a religious person. Pretty far from it. I shouldn't have to make that point since online forums like this have made it perfectly clear that religious people in the US are totally not being persecuted, but I know that many of you will probably just brush off my comments as "religious loony shit" if I don't make my position on religion crystal clear.
While I appreciate the concern, nothing like that is going to happen. You know why? Because all of this fear mongering is just that: fear mongering!
You know how I know it's all fear mongering? Don't you worry! I did all the hard work for you: I did the research! And I **brought receipts!!**™
You see kids, denaturalization is a process that has been in place since the early 1900s. It is used to revoke the citizenship of people who really REALLY shouldn't be here. We are talking Terrorists, Russian spys, Nazis (like, actual Nazis from WWII, not just people who don't agree with you politically in the year 2024). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
I feel this is a worthy use of our tax dollars! I mean, you want to deport Nazis and Russian spys, right?
Hmmm....I don't know. Will he really? If only we had some sort of historical data to back up this totally baseless claim…..
Ooops! We do have data! (though it doesn't support the claim AT ALL) You see, Trump was already President once. And everyone is claiming that he came down with an Iron Fist the first go-round with plans to expand! Turns out only 4 people, let me repeat that: 4 PEOPLE TOTAL, were denaturalized under President Trump. And guess what? Those 4 people were a terrorist, a LITERAL Nazi, and a couple of war criminals. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
Hell, President Obama (the great and powerful and o-so-cool) denaturalized 8 people during his terms! And again, these were (undeniably) undesirable people.
So you see, you don’t need to worry your pretty little head about me. I (like every other US citizen that migrated here legally and isn’t a Nazi or Terrorist) have NOTHING to be afraid of.
This sounds a bit anecdotal or even hyperbolic (maybe not the Florida bit, I don't know I don't live there so I don't know what's going on there).
...pound the table about migrants...
Why is it so impossible for this side of the argument to understand that the issue is with illegal migrants taking advantage of the system? You all go so far as to say things like "there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant!"
Yes. Yes there is. By legal definition there is! And as the son of a legal immigrant, someone who has been directly involved with this system, I absolutely do take issue with this country opening the flood gates to allow skirting of the system. As do MOST legal immigrants as was shown by this election!
Translation: "FUCK YEAH I voted against it!! Do you know how many non-violent black men I had to jail to get where I am now?! I'm not about to go back on that!!"
Ugh. It's always so cringe when late night hosts pull this kind of crap. They have literally become a mouthpiece for their corporate interests. That's your entire job! You are a breathing advertisement for Hollywood and big media agencies!
And you expect me to see your actors tears and think, hmm...yeah, they are like real people!
Hate speech laws in action. Yet so many yearn to see these kinds of laws adopted in their own countries without any forethought into how they can (and will) be abused.
It's more so that they can FEEL like they did the right thing. Not that they did the right thing.
It's all about optics. If they vote for a Democrat and post a picture with their "I Voted" sticker, then they get internet points! Then they don't have to be worried about getting canceled by their peers who they swear up and down don't cancel people because that goes against their fake "live and let live" ideology.
Sure I voted for genocide, but I did it the way all of Hollywood did, so I'm cool and part of the club! It's the acceptable form of genocide support!
But you are still completely rejecting the idea that the fetus has any right to exist. You still have it fixed in your thoughts that the "bundle of cells" is not actually a form of life. As I said, if there was a scientific consensus on this, that would be a different story. But again, nobody wants to come to that consensus.
Totally not even related (/s): what is your stance on the meat processing industry? Do you feel sympathy for the creatures that do not have a voice?