It isn't circular logic because international law is what gives a country a right to exist. It isn't any more complicated than that for the sake of this conversation.
And you watched the news for the past year and concluded that Palestinians are the problem?
I have been studying this issue since the early 2000's. I did not just start watching recently like the majority of the loudest ignoramus' in the conversation.
I mean, of course they are. They murder their own children, they play sounds of crying babies so that other Palestinians come out to find it so they can snipe those idiots, they murder ambulance drivers and the little child that was a witness to that massacre, I mean Palestinians are evil, man!
Oh wait, that was all the IDF.
The IDF is not a saint in this and that is absolutely obvious. This is what happens when leaders with genocidal rhetoric gain power. They use the military for their own purposes, which are usually genocidal.
This does not change the actions of Hamas, or the Palestinians who support Hamas, and those actions do not justify the attacks on civilians.
Yeah, Hamas is an issue and you’d have a point to mention that (because I can already see you furuously scribbling that) of it weren’t for the fact that Hamas is (in good part) funded by Israel just to give the Israeli army an excuse to murder even more Palestinians.
They funded Hamas, and from what I know, no longer fund Hamas. Which was absolutely disgusting. They are also funded by numerous other countries in modern times including Iran.
Nazis were the evil monsters of the 1940s. The Israeli government and army are the evil monsters of, well, the past 50 or so years? I remember the news reports fucking 40 years ago where the IDF would snipe murder young Palestinian kids because they throw rocks at them… All of these fucks should be swinging from the highest crane we can find
Yes, we should deal with everyone who has committed war crimes.
But you may not want to go back to Nazi Germany to hold your point about the "Peaceful Palestinians" though. In case you didn't know, the Palestinians worked with the Nazis and made a deal that stated they would help with the war effort if after the war Germany came and exterminated all of the Jewish population in what was then Mandatory Palestine.
There is also Iran, Russia, China, and numerous other countries with skin in the game. The point is there are really only two sides to the issue and it is "Israel and Palestine get to exist or one group gets to leave". Anyone who does not believe in a two state solution can go fuck themselves back to 1967.
Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression
I would also include right to return for Israelis who wish to return to their home lands they were ethnically cleansed from under the condition they abide by the laws there as well.
But you are just here to argue, so again, you don't see the middle ground.
You do understand that Palestinians are being oppressed by Hamas right? They have moved the goal post so many times themself it is clear they also don't want peace. Especially considering their goal is to ethnically cleanse Israel.
Which is my damn point. Both sides need to stop because innocent civilians are dying daily, and the rest of the world needs to stop fucking around and disarm both parties to intervene for real.
I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn't change the situation on the other side or what they have done.
Why hasn't Hama's surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?
Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes, and then repost it after I responded, I can only assume you actually were hoping to get an out of context response, so I still won’t bother responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.
Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted
You need to learn to recognize someone who agrees with you before arguing with them in the future. We know what needs to happen on the Israeli side for peace, my point is there is another side that has problems that need solving as well and that Palestinians are responsible for their side.
Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes I will never know. Likely hoping to get an out of context response I assume so I won't bother actually responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.
Yes. I believe peace can prevail if the rest of the world stops fucking around.
Which is why Palestinians need to accept that Israel has a right to exist within the 1967 borders. Israel also needs to accept the fact that Palestine has a right to exist within the borders determined in 1967.
Not all the land is Palestinian land, and that is a matter of fact. Israelis, especially those indigenous to the area, have a right to exist there. Just like Palestinians have a right to exist there.
That is another part of the very, very complicated issue in the area yes. That does not negate the fact that change is required for lasting peace, and it needs to happen on all sides of the issue.
Until the majority of Palestinians accept that Israel has a right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, there won't be lasting peace between the two. An incredibly poor choice of words, but the point is clear to those willing to listen.
It isn't circular logic because international law is what gives a country a right to exist. It isn't any more complicated than that for the sake of this conversation.