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  • Hamas will never accept a ceasefire without full Israeli withdrawal, and Israel will never accept a ceasefire that leaves Hamas in power. There is no middle ground here acceptable to both sides. It's not going to happen until the situation substantially changes.

  • This is a ski shop that posted a sign saying they won't do business with Jews, due to a Jewish person stealing a sled.

    Replace 'Jew' with any other ethnic group here and it's clearly not okay, but I'm sure other commenters will make an exception.

  • Well to use your analogy here, let's say a weed grow operation steals your electricity by plugging extension cords into several outlets and running them through open windows. Further let's say this goes on for years with you living in the house. At a certain point it strains credulity to believe that you aren't in on it.

    Something similar seems to have happened here. It doesn't implicate the UNRWA as a whole, but it certainly raises questions about the employees at this location.

  • Sure agreed if they didn't know, but it seems like there was at least a Hamas cell inside the UNRWA that did:

    Inside one of the UNRWA buildings, journalists saw a room full of computers with wires stretching down into the ground. Soldiers then showed them a room in the underground tunnel where they claimed the wires connected.

  • This article seems to allege electrical and communication cables were run through the ground between the UNRWA headquarters and the tunnel network?

    If true they buried the lede here. Idgaf where the tunnels are - when you dig a miles long tunnel, it'll go under a lot of unrelated buildings. If however the headquarters was serving as a communication relay and power supply, then that's pretty damning.

  • Agreed but that isn't weird. When's the last time an American president had popular support while in power? 2009? They legally won an election, which means the Palestinian people put them in charge. There was no waltzing, at gunpoint or otherwise.

  • That they didn't as you say "waltz in at gun point". Just as the German people of the time had some responsibility for the rise of Hitler, so must the Palestinian people of today bear some responsibility for putting Hamas in power.

    Hence my comments about Hamas's popular support in polling.

  • Yes, but those are from AQI (Al-Qaeda in Iraq). We're talking about Afghanistan, which is like 2000km away from where ISIS operates.

    And again, whether you think the American response to 9/11 was good or not is irrelevant to my original comment.

  • Would America have accepted a full withdrawal from Afghanistan and truce with Al-Qaeda 4 months after 9/11 in exchange for ~3000 American hostages?

    Some certainly would, but I think the majority would take a "we don't negotiate with terrorists" stance.

  • Her dissenting opinion is here. It's quite thorough, and while reasonable people could disagree on each point (myself included), I didn't find anything overtly biased in her analysis. Paragraphs 22 - 30 are the bulk of her analysis. Chiefly she cited 3 concerns:

    • without Hamas as a party, she didn't see how any order could be complied with without Israel unilaterally withdrawing and being forced to accept subsequent attacks
    • most requested orders amounted to "follow IHL", which Israel is already bound to order or no order
    • she believes SA is conflating Hamas and Palestinian civilians in several key arguments
  • This source is a conspiracy theory website:

    Overall, we rate The Final Call as a Conspiracy-Pseudoscience source based on the promotion of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, lack of transparent sourcing, and labeling as a hate group by independent organizations. This source has a Mixed factual rating due to the use of poor sources and the publication of unverified claims.