AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @ AlmightySnoo @lemmy.world

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Don’t complaint here

Isn't that what you all did when I merely quoted the AlJazeera article to break your false implied narrative that the IDF killed 3 random civilians? Leaving important details out is misinformation. I added an important excerpt from the same article you linked to and you suddenly got "how dare you say they are terrorists".

You’re confusing me with someone else, or trying to put words in my mouth.

I'm referring to how commenters on c/world have been referring to this as "IDF killed 3 Palestinians" today thanks to this misinformation campaign.

you want to try and control the narrative but that’s not how this works

That's... false? I'm not the one actively leaving out the fact that the 3 killed were Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists, which the AlJazeera article even admits. And I'm not the one trying to bury this detail with downvotes to keep the false "IDF killed 3 random Palestinians" narrative alive a little longer.

You believe that no one should be assassinated like that, whether they are a terrorist or not, that's perfectly fair. (so I suppose you hate the way the US assassinated Osama Bin Laden too?)

But then, why do you feel that the affiliation should not be brought up? You should test your beliefs and go ask on c/asklemmy: "Is it morally wrong to assassinate three Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists hiding in a hospital?".

Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!)

No target can have a high enough value to justify committing a war crime over.

Then you shouldn't have any issues with detailing that the three were Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists when you refer to this incident instead of maliciously saying "IDF killed 3 Palestinians"?

You're beating around the bush here. Why is it so hard for you to include the excerpt? Remember, the rules in this community allow you to do that. Why is it hard for you to write "IDF killed 3 Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists" instead of "IDF killed 3 Palestinians" when you refer to this incident?

All of that is entirely irrelevant

Is it? If it was irrelevant, you wouldn't need to leave it out to gather support for the assassinated terrorists. You perfectly know that the reaction would have been different if OP hadn't left it out, which is why you still insist on leaving it out, and yes, that is scummy.

Every reputable outlet is not leaving out that crucial detail:

• Israeli special forces disguised as doctors kill three militants at West Bank hospital;
• Israeli forces kill three Palestinian fighters in West Bank hospital raid;
• Israeli Forces Kill a Hamas Commander Inside a West Bank Hospital, Military Says;
• Israeli Force Raids West Bank Hospital Disguised as Doctors, Kills Three Hamas Terrorists.

You're free to ask on c/asklemmy "Is it morally wrong to assassinate three terrorists hiding in a hospital?" and get a debate going on the morality of it. It's not okay to keep spamming the lie by omission that "IDF killed 3 Palestinians", obviously insinuating that they killed 3 random civilians, in order to gather more sympathy for the terrorists.

Why is it "trying to defend the indefensible" when manipulation and lying by omission get called out as people here keep spamming "look the IDF killed 3 Palestinians" when it's actually 3 terrorists (one affiliated with Hamas, two with Islamic Jihad) that got killed?

You're free to argue about the morality of assassinating three terrorists in a hospital. But it's scummy to leave out the affiliation to try to mislead and gather more sympathy for the terrorists that got assassinated.

I agree I'd also have preferred if they used the more accurate word "terrorists" instead but yes, Hamas and Islamic Jihad confirmed it (source: AlJazeera article):

Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.

I'm sorry you feel sorry that Hamas and Islamic Jihad lost three terrorists today.

It’s irrelevant whether or not they were hamas.

It is relevant when a Hamas supporter keeps spamming on Lemmy that "3 Palestinians got murdered by Israel", insinuating that 3 totally random civilians ("dudes" in his own terms) got killed. It is manipulation, disinformation and lying by omission.

There's a reason why every reputable outlet, excluding AlJazeera which is clearly biased here and loves to editorialize the headlines (but even they admit it in the article), choose a headline that doesn't exclude that crucial piece of information:

• Israeli special forces disguised as doctors kill three militants at West Bank hospital : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/30/israel-forces-disguised-women-medics-storm-hospital-jenin-west-bank
• Israeli forces kill three Palestinian fighters in West Bank hospital raid : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68137050
• Israeli Forces Kill a Hamas Commander Inside a West Bank Hospital, Military Says : https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-hospital-raid-hamas.html
• Israeli Force Raids West Bank Hospital Disguised as Doctors, Kills Three Hamas Terrorists : https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-30/ty-article/.premium/israeli-forces-raid-west-bank-hospital-dressed-as-doctors-kill-three-hamas-terrorists/0000018d-5968-d997-adff-dd7aba630000

If you're this unhappy that 3 terrorists got assassinated, then you should be outraged by the way Osama Bin Laden got assassinated too I guess?

Is there a particular reason why you keep linking to a "streamable" video instead of linking to the AlJazeera article clearly saying this about those 3 assassinated:

Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.

and why you keep omitting this?

I wonder if people read beyond the headline, but it's probably too much to ask.

About those assassinated, from that same article:

Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.

Or is AlJazeera also just Israeli propaganda?

When I was doing my applied math PhD, the vast majority of people in my discipline used either "machine learning", "statistical learning", "deep learning", but almost never "AI" (at least not in a paper or a conference). Once I finished my PhD and took on my first quant job at a bank, management insisted that I should use the word AI more in my communications. I make a neural network that simply interpolates between prices? That's AI.

The point is that top management and shareholders don't want the accurate terminology, they want to hear that you're implementing AI and that the company is investing in it, because that's what pumps the company's stock as long as we're in the current AI bubble.

I hope you're not hitting on me as this is the first time here that a female lemming created two accounts in a single day specifically for me 👀

They can have my tabs over my dead body

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What's strange is how you're desperately defending Hamas with a dubious source:

Reasoning: Propaganda, Hate Group,

Misinformation

Bias Rating: LEFT

Factual Reporting: MIXED

Country: USA

MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE

Media Type: Website

Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic

MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

(https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mondoweiss/ )

Is your rush to defend Hamas' "honor" another casual instance of "believe all women unless they're Jewish"?

Probably regedit.exe

There are DIY tutorials for that for those interested: https://www.diybookscanner.org/en/intro.html

Acting like Hamas totally wouldn't rape them while in captivity like they did on Oct 7th: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-23/ty-article/.premium/hostage-released-from-gaza-says-hamas-treated-female-hostages-like-dolls/0000018d-35d9-db8f-a7df-37fb5cf70000 (Archive link: https://archive.is/EN0ds)

That they don't allow the Red Cross access to the hostages is also very damning.

Released hostage Aviva Siegel said Tuesday morning in a Knesset lobby for the victims of sexual and gender violence that Hamas terrorists turned the hostages in the Gaza Strip into "puppets with whom they could do what they wanted, when they wanted, and it's beyond belief that they're still there."

Siegel said that she was "a witness to ... The terrorists bringing [the female hostages] inappropriate clothing, dolls clothes." She added, "We'll soon reach four months [since they were kidnapped]. We were there for 51 days and there wasn't a minute that we didn't experience abuse – and they are still there."

"The girls are being raped there and nobody reports on [it]," continued Shir. "We no longer have the option of sitting here and continuing to talk politely. At this very moment, there is somebody sitting in a cave being raped

"We're almost four months after [they were kidnapped], past the point of terminating a pregnancy, why do we have to come here to convince this?"