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Oh wow, a Russian lib in Lemmy, that's a rare sight. I'll answer your comment later, but know this: it is thanks to the USSR that you LIVE. If it wasn't for the Bolsheviks, your country would either be a colony of France, England and Japan and wouldn't have been allowed to industrialise. That is, if it would have survived Nazism in the 40s. Nazis had the express objective of eliminating the "Asiatic hordes" and the "Slavic Untermenschen". You can thank your sorry ass that Lenin existed and set in motion what allowed your life to be that of a developed country and not a western colony or a genocided barren German slave field.

Kerensky's provisional government would either have been ousted by the whites (there were attempts already), or would have become colonised by western powers. Seeing as the whites received half a million troops from western countries to destroy bolshevism, most likely a combination of the two, Allende style minus the socialism. There is no alternative timeline where Russia was allowed to develop along with Western Europe in peace and to exploit the profits of imperialism in the rest of the world.

I respect farmers as long as they're not abusing migrant labour at illegal wages... So, I barely respect farmers.

You don't need to live in the US to fall to US State Department propaganda, I'm west-European myself and I'm surrounded by people with the same brainworms as you do. But if you insist I'll give you two sources that give similar numbers (i.e. 5 times smaller imprisonment rate than in the USA): source 1(London-based institute) source 2(UN data). Are those also totalitarian sources for this faulty information that we can't believe because the evil politicians from the evil country are plotting to destroy the west?

The United Nations Crime Trends Survey data seems to match pretty well with the data from World Prison Brief regarding prison population. Hopefully nobody will accuse the UN or a London-based organization of skewing the data in favour of China.

finding out the actual statistics can be very difficult

Nah, you're just a racist US-propagandized individual who refuses to believe statistics from "le evil country" because they don't suit your ideology. Trials in China are as public as in the rest of the world, and incarceration rates are easy to calculate, and they match the government data because China doesn't need to lie about it becaude it's not a police state in the way USians believe it to be. I can attest to that as someone who visited China freely and without visa, and who has had the pleasure of having several Chinese coworkers.

Second: What is your point?

My point is that China's incarceration rate is 5 times lower that of the USA, which makes it kinda obvious that there's no "tyrant police state jailing everyone who disagrees".

If Putin is supposedly a Xi servant, why would Trump, who supposedly serves Putin, engage in economic war with China?

American libs still won't forgive Chinese peasants for taking arms 1 century ago and redistributing the land, what do you think the american working class will do now?

In over 50 years, I have never seen a worst accounting of ourselves

You should have taken the hints with the Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, but better late than never I guess.

Exactly my point: many farmers aren't working class, they're petit-bourgeois, which explains why there are so many reactionary tendencies among them. The farmers who are working class deserve praise, the ones who are landowners don't.

subway stations in the middle of nowhere

This has been endlessly debunked... The "ghost cities" of China are majorly inhabited now, it's just a centrally planned way of building cities rather than laissez-faire house construction... which leads to available public transit, mixed use areas, parks and amenities, opposed to the suburban sprawl of the US.

USSR-like shortages

You really don't know what you're talking about, are you? The USSR rarely had "shortages", believe it or not. People having to go on waiting lists to acquire luxury products was a feature, not a bug, that guaranteed better distribution of scarce goods in a limited system. In capitalism, the consumption capabilities of people are limited by their income primarily. In the Soviet Union, because the basic necessities were extremely cheap (housing costing on average 3% of the monthly family income, transit ride prices being maintained from 1930 to the 70s without change, and inflation being on average 0% between the end of WW2 and the late 70s), people generally had money to spare.

When you live in a self-sufficient economy where you can't extract more resources than you do or put more people in factories because employment rate is 100%, producing more of one thing implies producing less of another. The distribution of some luxury goods like cars, was handled through waiting lists, because the idea wasn't that a wealthy class would be able to appropriate all the goods and leave the rest without anything (as it happens in capitalism). It's not a shortage, it's just another more equitable form of distribution of goods than "poors can go fuck themselves".

The enemy was never China. The current US administration is worse than the previous one, but it was never China imprisoning black people en-masse, keeping your healthcare unaffordable and your life expectancy below that of Cuba, keeping your tuition prices out of reach for the majority, not guaranteeing a retirement pension, and having the largest incarceration rate on Earth. It just took orange man for you to realize. Hopefully you won't turn back to anti-chinese sentiment and pro-US-imperialism when the cheeto is gone.

Well, in as much as they're workers, yeah. When instead they're landowners who illegally employ immigrants in order to pay them misery wages under the counter, fuck them. Farmers can be extremely reactionary and exploitative too, in a way that say, a supermarket cashier, simply can't be.

totalitarian faux-socialists with a love for concentration camps that form the ruling party

Could you please tell me what's the incarceration rate in China and compare it with the US?

ML, grad and hexbear are patiently waiting for your apologies. Sad that the line the US had to cross wasn't imperialism and genocide, but losing decorum and imposing tariffs on treats...

What's the incarceration rate in China? You guys are so fucking racist by swallowing the Anti-Chinese propaganda I swear to god.

Many jobs are equally essential, I don't get why people lose their asses over farmers specifically. It's not like they feed the people out of charity, it's their job to do so, and they get paid to do it.

Wait, I thought Trump is Putin's puppet and Putin is Xi's puppet?

It's an insane and racist statement (the one about Ukraine). That doesn't make it genocide, though. I'm not denying that many Russian nationalists wish the disappearance of Ukraine. Then again, lemmitors wish the disappearance of russia, US and European conservatives the disappearance of the entire Arab world... Racism sucks ass, but conservatives everywhere are racist pieces of shit

Russian statements of Ukraine not existing as a separate country, people, or identity

A statement isn't a genocide, and there isn't an Uyghur genocide. Wikipedia had to change the article title from "Uyghur genocide" to "persecution of Uyghur in China" because there's simply no evidence to support the "genocide" thesis.

To see footage of what a genocide looks like, open up YouTube or tiktok and look at today's bombings of Gaza. You simply won't find video footage of violence against Uyghur because there's not such a thing. Everyone in China has access to a smartphone and if there was remotely any violence taking place, you'd have it plastered all over western media. The "Uyghur genocide" was manufactured by a Christian radical and co-founder of the Victims of Communism Memorial Association called Adrian Zenz, and he did so in collaboration with the US state propaganda "media" Radio Free Asia. I dare you to find any post-2022 evidence from a primary source of any systematic violations of human rights against Uyghur people.

By calling everything a genocide, we diminish the actual significance of occurring genocides, such as the Gaza and Rohingya ones that you mentioned. I beg you to please get informed on the subject of Uyghur. I dont deny that there likely happened some human right violations such as forced education of thousands of Uyghur, but that happened during a very brief span of time already half a decade ago, and it stopped, and it doesn't really fit under the definition of genocide at all. Black people in the USA face TODAY much higher numbers of mass imprisonment (up to 1/4 of black males in the US above the age of 30 have been through the prison system) and I don't see anyone calling that genocide.