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Meta can not EEE the fediverse. The worst they can do is create their own distinct fediverse. But anyone who doesn't want to participate will still be using the open fediverse. They can't take your instance or force it to update to their standards.

They already have those users. Giving them access to the tiny pool of users in the fediverse isn't going to give them an appreciable increase in data.

Implementing ActivityPub at their scale costs way more than allowing a drop-in-the-bucket network to go on existing. The fediverse is not really competition for them

You can't really Embrace, Extend, Extinguish an open standard. Anybody can continue to use the unextended version and that's exactly what would happen if Meta tried it. They can't force servers to update or implement meta-specific features

No ActivityPub is explicitly push-based. If you follow someone on a remote server, the remote server pushes their posts to your server. Meta can push content into the fediverse, but like any other user/server they can be blocked if its spammy

Any data they can get from federating, they can get much easier by just scraping it. If your goal is data harvesting, implementing ActivityPub is a huge waste of money

It looks like I was mixing up some facts. The Genius case was denied because genius doesn't own the copyright to the lyrics they were publishing. I can't find the case now, but there was a case where a judge said scraping was allowed because it wasn't a given that the scraper had read a ToS.

People who say that are generally talking about the signup where you have to pick an instance. And then there's the worry over which other servers yours federates with. If you isolate your attention to a single instance, then all those worries go away.

The same already happens on the fediverse in regards to mastodon itself. A lot of people discuss the fediverse almost wholly in terms of mastodon.

They used it in a perfectly acceptable and understandable way. The definition you're describing as sarcastic is an official meaning of the word. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patronize

They don't need ActivityPub for that. Nearly everything on the fediverse is public and scrapable. If they want to monetize fediverse data, they already can

Genius (the lyrics company) tried to license the content on their website and a judge said that can't be legally binding because there's no guarantee the scraper read it. It seems like the same would apply here.

It's an explicit goal of ActivityPub, but mastodon implemented its own bespoke API instead of the ActivityPub Client to Server (C2S) API. Apps got developed for mastodon using its API and other services implemented the masto API instead of C2S to get app support.

And anytime you bring up C2S to current projects, they brush it off. So it seems like the grand idea of the fediverse is way far off and not likely to happen soon.

ActivityPub can support tags with spaces, even though no fediverse platform allows you to write tags like that. The name of the tag can be pretty much whatever you want, as long as it has a valid URL.

That wouldn't make them incompatible with the fediverse. ActivityPub can support tags with spaces, even though no current fediverse platform allows it. A post with a hashtag with spaces would still federate to other services and if that services is robust enough, should still be linked up so that you can click it to see the tag feed.

I wasn't claiming note was the first term used to refer to them only that it's been used to refer to them for a long time

I don’t understand why these new services need to reinvent common vocabulary for their services (ie: notes (which is a completely different thing on Twitter), channels, antennas, pages etc)

I don't know about the rest of the terms, but note is actually the standard term for a microblog post. It was used by services before and contemporaneous to twitter and is the ActivityStream term for these posts.

Their step one is:

identify medium-to-large sized Fediverse servers

which means it'll be weighted toward mastodon servers. I hope they account for that somehow.

So apparently it is “eventually” supposed to let Reddit and Lemmy users interact with each other. And this will somehow cause people to join Lemmy? If someone is a reddit user, posting in Reddit where 99% of the community is, and they happen to see a comment from Lemmy, why would they even care? Why would they leave their community with 99% of the people to move to a smaller inactive community that only has any action at all due to copying content from the site that they are already on? It doesn’t make any sense!

Because of all the recent drama with reddit and its continued enshitification. Apps that users/moderators relied on are gone, the mobile site is shit, etc. For a lot of users, there are enough pain points that mirroring the content somewhere else is enough to get them to switch.

You can't browse All and then get mad at the stuff in it.

It looks like you're on kbin, which doesn't have lists. The equivalent feature is Collections but its fairly new. Collections are essentially arbitrary groupings of magazines, similar to reddits multireddits.

Lists on microblogging platforms allow you to manage multiple groupings of accounts instead of following them all. So your home timeline could be people you know IRL and you could have a list for different interests and you can view each one independently.