Oppenheimer and the resurgence of Blu-ray and DVDs: How to stop your films and music from disappearing
Oppenheimer and the resurgence of Blu-ray and DVDs: How to stop your films and music from disappearing::In an era where many films and albums are stored in the cloud, "streaming anxiety" is making people buy more DVDs, records – and even cassette tapes.
Anyone who thinks physical media on disc is a good way to preserve a work in perpetuity has never heard of disc rot.
Rip it, store it digitally, make periodic backups. Or obtain the IMAX film reel and keep it hermetically sealed for decades.
But don't you know. They put a do not copy sticker on the disc. That means that you super Dooper can't copy this disc or you'll be in trouble.
They also put "warranty void if removed" stickers on everything, yet can't legally void your warranty if you remove the sticker and open a device.
I have considered buying or building a second NAS and putting it in my parents house for offsite backup.
This is what I'm currently building.
Crashplan used to have a backup-to-friend option. Guess it wasn't selling their backup so they canceled it.
I'm working on the same thing using mini or micro pc with enough space inside for perhaps 4 SSD's. (Trying to keep power consumption down).
Running UnRAID, using the Tailscale plugin, everyone will be able to connect to each other, anywhere, over my Tailscale net.
Setup quotas, define how to backup stuff (e.g. Phone photos, etc), and it's your own Personal Crashplan in a box.
Can also run PiHole in unRAID. So now you have DHCP/DNS, ad-blocking too. Now I just need enough horsepower to run Jellyfin on the box...
Or just get an M-disc burner and burn discs that'll last a good hundred years.
To build on this: DO NOT USE AN SSD to store your data long-term! Solid-state storage has a very short, finite life-span. What you want to do is buy an even number of hard drives, plug them in long enough to copy your data to, and then unplug them and store them in a climate-controlled area. bout once a year, copy the data to a different hard drive, rinse, and repeat. Left untouched long enough, a hard drive will experience data rot. Used constantly, a hard drive will wear out. Used very sporadically, you preserve the data and the mechanical parts of the hard drive.
This is a pretty big overstatement.
DO NOT USE AN SSD to store your data long-term! Solid-state storage has a very short, finite life-span.
This has not been true for years. SSDs are generally more reliable than HDDs except in write-intensive applications (and even then... It really depends on what exact models you are comparing). SSDs have a life-span mostly talked about in terms of TBW (terabytes written) rather than years for a reason, if they're powered on and not written too they'll last as long as or longer than a hard drive. (Note: Powered on regularly, SSDs can lose data if stored unpowered for a long time (months)). If you just have an archival drive you're not constantly erasing and rewriting data to, an SSD is a great choice. Reads also barely affect the lifespan of at all, so you can still access the data you want to protect (hell, write-lock the drive even and it'll last decades if powered on).
What you want to do is buy an even number of hard drives, plug them in long enough to copy your data to, and then unplug them and store them in a climate-controlled area. bout once a year, copy the data to a different hard drive
This is just plain silly. Yes, the mechanical wear of the drives spinning up and down means they'll die faster. But we're still talking MTBF measured in years. And replacing a hard drive that's barely used every single year? That's not just bad advice it's creating e-waste for no reason. Also note drives fail on a bathtub curve... If you have two good drives that lasted a year, you are increasing your chances of a failure by swapping them for two brand new drives... The best thing you can do for your hard drives is to not power cycle them constantly, any typical usage is fine. Also mechanical parts can actually wear out from disuse as well. Even archival services don't go to these extremes you're recommending.
If you really care about saving your data follow 3-2-1. 3 copies of your data (live, archival (external HDD or similar), off-site), two-different forms of media (HDD, SSD, cloud (yes cloud is an HDD or SSD but they have their own redundancy)), one off-site (in the event of a fire etc.)
Honestly 99.9% of consumers would be fine with a 2-2-1 scheme, 2 copies (live and off-site/cloud), 2 forms of media, 1 off-site. If you don't trust Google or don't want to pay for cloud storage, set up a server with redundant disks at a friend's house. Just keeping a second copy on a server with redundancy is plenty of fail over for most use cases. 3-2-1 is for data centers and businesses (and any cloud service you rent from will follow 3-2-1...) Let's not overcomplicate how difficult it is to keep data intact, if I tell someone to buy a new 12tb HDD each year they're just gonna give up on keeping it safe.
Honestly I'd rather just not watch Oppenheimer.
Even better, have a NAS with a raid array and data scrubbing for your primary storage, and periodically make backups to off-site storage (an off-site NAS or external hard drive are good options that don't rely on commercial cloud services).
Yea, I wouldn't rely on HD on a shelf. Source: I've had hundreds of hard drives over the years. Some that are 1 year old and dead, after sitting on a shelf. Some are 20 years old and still work (kind of a test at this point to see how long they'll still spin up).
There's a reason 3-3-3 backup is the guideline. From my own experience, you need data on no less than 3 different storages, not including the production data.
I've had situations where 2 of my Backups didn't work for some reason, either media failed, or data wasn't backed up though it was supposed to be, etc. That 3rd has saved me many times.
How about SD cards?
Bullshit. Piracy is the only thing preserving it. Why? Because as a PC user 4k HDR Blu-Rays are forbidden for me anyways to play legally despite owning them.
What are you on about? In the US at least, there's no legal restriction on you playing 4K Blu-Ray movies on a PC.
The drive is not the issue.
Most Blu-Ray disks have DRM encryption. There simply doesn't seem to be a (legal) decryption mechanism on PC, probably to avoid people ripping the movies.
I'm curious as well. I googled to make sure there was a PC Blu-ray drive, and there is.
But there is a regulation prohibiting breaking the DRM. And obtaining a program that can decrypt the disk and save the file while having keys to latest disks is hard.
I've run into a similar issue, I built a media PC for my living room which includes a 4K compatible Blu-ray drive. After spending an hour trying to flash it's BIOS in Linux, realizing Windows would take 2 minutes to do the same task, then finally testing a disk, I find that DRM ruins that. All my 4K disks will not play because it's a crapshoot if they do play. It will rip them no problem, but not play.
I could fix this by using Windows, however I don't want windows on this system, it works quickly and with no annoyances in Linux.
So now I have to resort back to the PS5 as my player until I figure something out.
You cannot play 4k HDR on a Windows PC as well. Just pirate it. https://www.cyberlink.com/support-center/faq/content?id=19144 It requires Intel SGX which is not a feature anymore.
Nah. I'm sure there are multiple factors, as mentioned in the article, but another big thing preserving physical media is home theater enthusiasts. With a good system, the higher bitrate video and lossless audio on a UHD Blu-ray is noticable compared to most streamed content.
Plus things like director's commentary and things. I really do want those.
!!WARNING!!
There is still DRM on DVDs and Blu-rays. Don't think everything is perfect because you have the physical media. You still only have a license to play it.
It's way easier to break. And even ignoring that, for these technologies at least, as long as you keep/find a working player, it's fine-ish. You can still do backup/duplicate too. As far as conservation is concerned, physical media gives these options.
Yes; but DRM can be cracked, and it rarely makes DVDs and Blu-Rays unusable.
Do Blu rays require to phone home periodically to validate drm over the Internet? Genuine question., as I have read here that right to play them can be revoked.
They do not require any online connection. AACS has some ability to revoke media player keys, but it does so by encrypting future releases in such a way that the revoked player can not decrypt them (how this works technically is a bit complicated).
So if they decide to revoke your player, it can still play every Blu-ray disc manufactured before the revokation went into effect.
Well, they can’t make your content disappear if you download copies of it to your own computer or server.
My father who used to be able to pirate entire music libraries has been reduced to an apple subscriber its crazy
Mental decline is heartbreaking to watch
Did he get caught downloading and not using a VPN?
I've always just gotten moving, watched them, and then usually just delete them to make room for more. Lately I've been thinking about just upgrading my storage, and making sure to have copies of a lot of my favorite movies and TV shows. I don't rewatch things much anymore, now that there's so many new things always coming out. But I like to every now and then.
Since Oppenheimer was such a success, can we please get a high-budget Feynman film already? The guy was far more interesting and cooler and just generally more of a badass than Oppenheimer. And he fucked a lot more than Oppenheimer.
All we've gotten is Infinity which... it was okay, but come on. The guy got bored at Los Alamos and decided to learn how to safecrack. In the middle of the Manhattan Project. Because he was fucking bored.
I've read Feynman's autoanecdotal (It's not quite an autobiography?) book, Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman...and he makes himself sound like an idiot. It's basically a book about what he did in his spare time; he deliberately avoids his science work and just talks about his hobbies and passtimes. And it's hundreds of pages of shit that sounds like this:
I went to the bar. To look at all the girls. And there was this music playing. It sounded great! So I went over to the guys who were playing the music. I said "Hey that sounds great! What is it?" And they said it's African Jazz. And I asked if I could play. They said sure. They gave me a little drum. They said it was a froingoboingo drum. You hit it with your fingers. They started playing, and I started hitting the drum. It was great! I played with them all night. I joined an African Jazz club. We played all the time. Until one time we went to this other place to play, and there was a guy there who didn't like that I was playing the drum. So I never played the drum again.
It's like he leans SO hard on being a straightforward guy that he tips over and lands in safety pencils and circle of paper territory.
From the book, "learning to safecrack" might be a bit of a stretch. The way I read it...Los Alamos was supposed to be like, the ultimate in secure locations, because Manhattan Project, right? Except they kept the most secret documents in the world in ordinary filing cabinets. The kind that don't have backs so you can just slide the thing away from the wall and pull the documents out. Or pointed out that people invariably left combination locks still pointing at the last digit of the combination. He didn't really get to the point of using The Tool That Bosnian Bill And I Made.
Not to mention his quest to reach Tannu Tuva. Or all the crazy things he talks about in "Surely you're joking, Mr Feynman". I feel like a movie about him should capture his playful approach to learning and teaching, and actually go into the subjects he studied. He was good at explaining things simply and the movie could do the same. It should awaken a desire to explore the mysteries of the universe. An antidote to all the anti-intellectualism we suffer from today.
If streaming anxiety is making you buy more cassette tapes instead of pirating I'd like to have a word with you.
I buy lots of cassette tapes on bandcamp (thousands by now) and also download lossless digital for the archive. Streaming sucks and I like to support artists, so piracy is out (for music only, I’m not buying video content).
Not everyone can pirate.
I know it's not the point of the article but I need to express my annoyance at the fact that Christopher Nolan is encouraging dvd/bluray purchase so much. He explicitly designs shitty sound in his films supposedly to make them sound better for the theater (i question his success in that effort) and then doesn't adjust it for the bluray. So even then at home you have to adjust the sound up and down to hear the dialogue while not getting your eardrums blasted out by the action sequences.
Ok rant over. Otherwise I agree wholeheartedly, don't trust streaming services to keep your movies for you. Bluray is the way.
I’m convinced that it’s not actually any better in theaters, we’re just a lot more willing to bear painfully loud audio in a setting where it’s considered normal. There’s an argument to be made that it’s similar to concerts, but for my money I’d like to not have to wear ear protection in a theater just because some director figured minor hearing hearing damage is worth an especially “epic” crescendo.
They don't even design their sound to be good in all theaters, just ones with "top of the line" audio systems, which means the audio is likely to suck if you go to your local AMC or other chain.
He's also said before that they just don't care if some dialogue is inaudible, apparently shitty sound is just part of the experience, intentionally. Maybe we should stop buying tickets and Blu-Ray's of his movies until they start making good movies.
There are so many movies and shows with bad audio. I just leave the subtitles on all the time.
They don't even design their sound to be good in all theaters, just ones with "top of the line" audio systems, which means the audio is likely to suck if you go to your local AMC or other chain.
Every theater I've gone to for probably near 10 years has sucked. Something is always fucked up. Audio unbalanced or way too loud, projector just slightly unfocused, blown out, or off center. They must not hire a professional in any capacity anymore, just minimum wage teenagers. I made a mid/low tier home theater and I'd rather watch any movie at my house, because the video and audio is going to be better. It's actually ridiculous.
Wish he would just provide different mixes on the disk. You know, one mix for normal people, and one mix for Nolan's personal theater where he can benefit from a theater mix on a blu-ray.
Not true at all.
I saw The Dark Knight Rises at a cinema and I couldn't hear shit there either.
In fact most modern audio mixing is piss poor. Do yourself a favour and turn the subtitles on.
The only words I remember understanding in that intro opening night were "you're a big guy" "for you"
Apparently they patched it after a few days to make it more understandable but from what I saw on DVD later it was still pretty bad
It's not better in theatres, just louder. I actually had my hands over my ears in some scenes of Oppenheimer
Worse, he doesn't care if the sound overwhelms the dialog.
That he focuses on sound quality for the theatre is could be argued as understandable. But fucking over the dialog? Yea, fuck him
Torrent them onto your own storage and make backups .
I have a 12tb external HDD for now, set it up with an Emby server so I can access it anywhere. Total cost was around $200. Gonna replace it with a NAS with like 80TB so I can keep it safe forever. This is the way.
Rather than a NAS, consider building an Unraid server, I built my first one from old hardware that I repurposed, my current one is a little more sophisticated but not over the top.
Unraid can be setup as an automated media server with all the ARRs running to manage your library.
Woo Emby
Storj.io has great prices for storage, and using apps like Duplicati you can run backups to storj. Be worth starting there, so your stuff is backed up, then work on a NAS.
Evem with that backup, I'd work on a second backup solution. I've been screwed by a combo of RAID failure and Crashplan fuckage, twice. The rule of 3 backups exists for a reason.
This is the way.
I check the list of new physical releases regularly. I'd rather drop $30 on a disc than blow $50 in a theater and walk out with nothing.
I spend $20/month to see as many movies as I want at the theater. Last month I saw 6 movies, 9 in November, and expecting 6 this month.
The theater isn’t a bad deal with these unlimited subscriptions. In fact it’s the most bang for my buck entertainment option I have these days.
No one in their right mind that knows better has ever stored anything they truly cared to keep in the cloud only. Cloud storage like Google Drive or via streaming services where you can "buy" licenses. Maybe this will be a sign that the average person is catching on to the grift.
Yup. "Buying" a movie online is a grift, since all you're actually doing is buying a license to stream as long as they decide they want to host it. Companies can, and have, removed movies people have bought because of things like studio distribution agreements expiring.
My dream would be for UHD Blu-ray quality (or better) DRM-free digital movie purchases, much like you already can with high res music. But until that becomes a thing, I'll be buying a physical copy of any movies or shows that I want to own (rather than rent).
When i was a teenager (so not in my right mind) I relied entirely on google drive. At some point they deleted all my files. All my fun childhood programming projects are gone and I learned my lesson about storing my own data
I love DVD extras like 'The Making Of...' documentaries and creator interviews/commentaries.
There's a special edition of 'Buckaroo Banzai' with an on screen commentary that's fantastic. I found out that the briefcase Buckaroo carries with him into Dimension 8 had a tuna fish salad sandwich and Eintein's brain.
The commentary was in character too!
Since you're a connoisseur of niche entertainment, here are a few suggestions for obscure creators.
Tanith Lee, author. Neil Gaiman stole most of his best stuff from her. In Night's Master the hero is Satan, and in Death's Master, the protagonist is Death.
Ross Thomas, author. Washington reporter turned novelist, his books almost always focus on dirty politics. 'The Porkchoppers' is about a Union election back in the Nixon Era and 'Briarpatch' makes the small city it's set in a major character.
Russ Meyer, movie maker. 'Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill!' The title of the movie is the most subtle thing in it.
In any reasonable society we would have actual ownership rights over the digital media that we buy and we wouldn't be beholden to fickle services or the inevitable decay of matter.
DRM-free copies, when properly backed up, are more secure than physical media. I have ripped MP3s from music CDs that already stopped working.
Tell me again how you watch your VHS tapes
You buy a Vhs to Dvd converter
Buy the box set, rip it to .mkv, drop in Plex, rinse and repeat.
Oh, wait, this isn’t c/piracy?
This is not only a good way to handle media, it's one of the best.
It blows my goddamn mind that TV manufacturers didn't develop a streaming portal "endpoint" player and band together to require content from Netflix/Hulu/etc meet that standard for delivery. It's made TVs just app boxes.
Can you just imagine being able to see what is available on all services from one interface, all at once, and then start a stream of it seamlessly from whichever you movie profile page you have access to?
Instead we have half-assed lookup apps in some TVs that even when they find it a film then just launch a separate app.
Build a good Plex library and never look back. Buy Blurays and DVDs and lookup how to automate good handbrake encoding. Once you know how, you can honest to god automate most of it, and in my case, I have it auto-launch and rip any disc if it detects a Blu-ray film or DVD film and drop the resulting file in my NAS storage to be sorted. Blurays drives are cheap too now, so you can buy 2-3 and dump a whole library in just a few days.
Apple TV has that single place, but Netflix doesn’t want to use it and now Amazon and a bunch of other streaming services sell “channels” which they pollute the results with content you can’t watch despite paying for the service.
You see the utopian version of this with UI navigation perfection. I see what would likely have come of out such a collaboration being a screen 75% full of ads with user telemetry vacuumed up by hundreds of companies I can't opt-out of that would have access to all my viewing data because they're part of the collaboration.
When I was little, we used to have a box plugged into the CRT TVs of the time that, when connected to a network, would allow you access to something similar to what you're saying. Typically, you'd be able to open an electronic program guide to see a menu that displayed all the different services that you're subscribed to and be able to switch between streams seamlessly. Granted, the biggest difference is that the individual service providers had a set schedule as to what was streaming at the time, so if you missed content scheduled at a certain time, you'd hope they'd rebroadcast it at some point.
Maybe we could have something similar, but with the ability to pick anything from each individual service providers' library on demand?
Although there was a problem with this system, but I don't really remember what it was. The service providers banded together and started raising prices, I think? But, then again, aren't they doing something similar now?
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Do you have a "cheap" drive recommendation?
It's odd to me that there are places that would consider that piracy
In my country (the Netherlands), to my knowledge, you have the right to do whatever you like with your copy of a movie as long as you don't distribute it.
That includes ripping it, and putting the mkv on your personal server. That is precisely what the home-copy tax is for afterall..
I am Mexican and at this point I think I have more pirated stuff than purchased, in a nutshell, I know my shit and what OP said ain't piracy whatsoever.
Australia: If you do that for interoperability (in this case you want it accessible from your library) it's legal.
It's that way in the US too.
Copying isn't piracy, it's fair-use.
Depending on where you live, I believe the loop hole is that ripping media for personal use is legal but breaking the DRM and/or sharing the DRM breaking program is illegal.
Yes to all of that, except for Plex. Use Jellyfin. It's open source, and most importantly, doesn't force authentication from proprietary servers that you can't control. When those auth servers go down, as they've been known to do, you can't stream your media from your own server (unless you want to disable auth, which is a joke).
Always think it'w funny how lemmy users tear you a new hole for mentioning proprietary software instead of (F)OSS but will usually happily recommend Plex in any case (and Arch).
I like jellyfin too as an option. But my parents and relatives and friends do not have jellyfin apps or ease of library sharing via jellyfin.
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Something something synology. Rent a disc, rip and repeat.
I either claim the digital copy with the disc or I just pirate a copy because it's less hassle than ripping lol.
I def still ☠️ the one offs, movies mostly.