2y ago

Supreme Court agrees to quick review of Trump’s presidential immunity claim

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The Supreme Court has been asked to weigh in on a question that will decide if the former president faces charges for efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
WASHINGTON (CN) — The Supreme Court agreed on Monday to review a fast-tracked petition asking if Donald Trump can use his status as a former president to claim immunity from criminal charges related to his effort to overturn the 2020 election.
The order came only hours after Special Counsel Jack Smith asked the justices to expedite consideration of Trump’s presidential immunity claim in his D.C. prosecution for election interference leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. The decision is not an agreement to hear Smith's case, but rather an agreement to review his petition faster than normal.

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2y ago

Supreme Court agrees to quick review of Trump’s presidential immunity claim

www.courthousenews.com /supreme-court-asked-to-consider-trumps-presidential-immunity-claim/

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Immunity while head of state? Sounds like a monarchy to me.
- And if SCOTUS says the President is an absolute monarch? What would you want Biden to do next? The GQP just never thinks this through.
  
  And if SCOTUS says the President is an absolute monarch? What would you want Biden to do next?
  Use his powers as monarch to remove the justices that gave him such power, then abdicate back down to president.
  
  Arrest the bunch of them. "The Republican party is hereby disbanded, arrests begin in 5 minutes."
  (throwback for the kids in the room):
  https://youtu.be/CFCABnWlN8E
  
  The GQP absolutely thought this through...Biden either won't have the balls to do anything about this, or he croaks trying to actually accomplish something.
  This is the checkmate they've been working at since Bush Jr.
- Not at all.. Trump wasn't born into his position. This is fascism, friend.
  Edit: I mean, he was born into money, though...
- Pretty sure most of them don't even have that anymore
The legit argument for immunity is that a president is completely immune for official actions, anything else done while he is president but not official presidential action can't be charged while president but can be charged after his term.
Assuming they aren't charging anything that could be construed as an official presidential action, this should be 9-0 of course you can be charged.
- Anything illegal should be charge-worthy, official or not, just like any other office. Actively holding the title of president entities immunity only as a delay, because that role also serves as commander-in-chief for the US. Having that seat empty during a prosecution could be hugely disruptive to the executive branch and strategically unwise for geopolitics.
  But once the new president takes over, there's no longer any reason to delay the judicial process with temporary immunity.
  At least, that's how I learned it in 6th grade, midwest public school.
  
  Which is precisely why trump wants to be a dictator. If he stays President, he’s perpetually immune.
  
  I'm actually pro prosecution / impeachment of presidents for that reason, we have a backup available so it doesn't actually hurt us. But I have to disagree on official actions. Sending someone to war can't be reckless endangerment, having someone drone striked can't be murder, we can't have the president sued for damages every time they sign a law that harms a business or industry.
- His efforts to overturn the election came about while he was still President. Trump was the President of the United States on January 6th, 2021. Biden was not the President until January 20th, 2021.
  Framing it that way, this is getting worse all the time.
  
  He was president but it wasn't official action so he could be charged after he was done being president aka now.
My prediction: 7-2 with Alito and Thomas holding out for divine right of kings.
- something something rich historical tradition something something acts of supremacy
So, basically, we are totally fucked if they say he’s immune and can commit treason
- If presidents are immune then Biden is instantly free to have the FBI toss Trump in super max.
  
  Biden could just go murder him in the street.
  
  Don’t tease me like this
If they give him immunity, they are basically saying any president can rig an election with no consequences. It would completely undermine our system of government.
- Clarence Thomas: heavy breathing
Nice to see Smith isn't willing to put up with this shit. SCOTUS - even the conservative members - will quickly find that former presidents aren't kings, and that will be that.
- And if they don't, that gives Biden free reign. "Oh? Presidents are immune? Well then..."
- Yes, but they are deciding whether he can be held criminally liable while in office, which he was on 1/6/21.
  
  That's still deciding if former presidents are kings or not. If former presidents are shielded by their former office against any crime they did while in office, Biden could take out a gun and shoot Trump at a debate, declare himself the winner, and march off stage with no post-presidency repercussions. It's basically a license to commit literally all the crimes.
For emphasis:
The decision is not an agreement to hear Smith's case, but rather an agreement to review his petition faster than normal.
So any score guessing is a bit premature. They have not been granted cert.
I’ve got popcorn!
This should not be an interlocutory appeal. Anybody else would have to wait for the final decision for this. Can any lawyer explain why they're granting this appeal?
- Because it is a very important case and Trump's current defense strategy hangs purely on whether or not he was acting as President when he was giving the Jan 6, 2021 speech or whether he was campaigning as a private citizen. Also as to whether anyone but the President at the time can even answer that question.
  At this moment nothing else even matters, so they do not even need to prove whether what he said makes him culpable for his followers' actions that day.
  If SCOTUS decides that the DOJ under their current policy can indict a former President for actions as a sitting President, then that goes out the window and severely weakens Trump's case.
  This is even more important because the elections are coming up next year and if Trump can keep the case in court and he wins the elections, then he stands a pretty good chance that regardless of what happens, the case is going to die.
  Even if it doesn't die, and let's say he goes to prison in August, does he stay on the ballots? What happens to the RNC? What happens when half the people's choice is effectively taken away? What if people write in Trump and/or state's just simply do not remove him and he wins anyway while in prison? What do we do while we figure it all out?
  It is very important that this question is answered as quickly as possible.
  
  The reason for skipping the appeals court, where this would most certainly go, is that the whole case gets automatically stayed while the appeal is happening. Which is, of course, Trump's aim - to delay the process. Jack Smith is basically saying, "No delay for you."
  
  whether or not he was acting as President when he was giving the Jan 6, 2021 speech or whether he was campaigning as a private citizen.
  This is some sovereign citizen bullshit. Of course that's the kind of the argument Trump's lawyers would make. It should take 2 seconds to slap this down, except with how corrupt the SC is I don't have any confidence they won't just give it to him.
- I assume if the supreme court shoots him down now, he can't appeal for it later.

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