Florida Democrats plan to cancel presidential primary, enraging Dean Phillips’ campaign
Florida Democrats plan to cancel presidential primary, enraging Dean Phillips’ campaign
When was the last time a incumbent president has been defeated by a primary challenger?
In short, never. At least not in the era of modern primaries where people have a chance to vote on who will be the candidate, rather than just party leaders selecting the candidate, which began in the 1970s.
If you go back further in time, there's been a few incidents where party leaders denied their endorsement to an election incumbent for various reasons.
https://time.com/5682760/incumbent-presidents-primary-challenges/
Dean who?
From Gilmore Girls, I think.
Politico's owner, Axel Springer, started forcing a right wing bias for their reporting,
The deadline for parties to submit a list of approved candidates to state election officials is Thursday.
But Florida Democrats acted before then, sending a notice on Nov. 1 to the state that had Biden as the only primary candidate. Phillips had entered the race a few days earlier, and self-help guru Marianne Williamson had been campaigning for months by then.
So when they submitted the candidate list the Dems only had one serious candidate and nothing has changed since then. Got it.
Aww, you weren't going to vote for Phillips or Williamson? /s
Is she the ORB lady?
Democrats: Trump winning the 2024 election is an eminent threat to our democracy
-- 2024 DNC Primaries --
Also Democrats : Move on there is nothing to see here
Well it is consistent with what the Dems did to Bernie during the 2016 and 2020 election cycles.
Primaries should not be canceled.
Primaries exist solely to benefit the parties.
Remember that. The states spend a lot of resources to hold primaries, but at the end of the day the purpose is to help each party have their best shot of winning the general election. If the state Democrats think this is their best option, so be it.
I mean, it's not like Democrats have convincingly pretended that the results of the primaries aren't preordained since 2016. They're just dropping the act.
Who?
The challenger that's polling 1%, he's there so they don't have to mention Marianne Williamson who's polling at 10+%.
Dean Phillips. I think he heads up the local community college.
Wait, it still surprises people that the democrats rig their primary?
The incumbent is always the party candidate regardless of party.
That's not always true, there has been one example where the incumbent lost their primary, Franklin Pierce.
He was the 14th president, winning the 1852 election. His handling of the political climate before the civil war didn't get him enough support for the 1856 election, ultimately losing the primary bid to James Buchanan.
That's not even considering the multiple times when someone took over for deceased presidents, then lost their own reelection primaries afterwards.
So there is precedent for not using the incumbent. It's just usually logical to pick the person that's already won before.
Really making the name an oxymoron huh?
Thats fine im no longer supporting the two party system. Anyone who wants to run on ranked choice or proportional representation will get my vote
^Republican voter trying to generate apathy. Or worse, someone who actually believes voting 3rd party is not handing a vote to the fascist party.
"Everyone to my left is all the way to my right."
Shits just gonna keep getting worse until we scrap first past the post. Even more right leaning dems against republicans holding democracy hostage.
Or worse, someone who actually believes voting 3rd party is not handing a vote to the fascist party.
Ahh yes, everyone not a democrat or republican must be a nazi. Totally sound reasoning /s
Anyone who wants to run on ranked choice or proportional representation will get my vote
There's a newish party for that. See the forward party.
It is an extremely prevalent delusion to think that we can only choose from the 2 parties nominees for president or any other office. But it is a very convenient delusion for party insiders and elites of DC that neither party is interested in dismantling.
That is not to say we shouldn't be strategic in our votes. That means voting for the best(This is highly subjective and will usually come down to the lesser evil) candidate there is for a given race. Because it is also a delusion to think that everyone will suddenly realize they don't have to vote for either party and elect a different candidate. Especially when other candidates aren't really much better than the party candidates.
I have no problem with that. The parties control the primaries, the state controls the general.
Except Biden is an awful canidate. This. Right here. This is what cost the dems the election in 2016.
Stop it with the boomer “You’ll vote for who we tell you to vote for- and you’ll like it” bullshit. He’s soft in the largest generational blocs (millennials gen z) and we all know it.
Only deluded morons think that’s a good idea.
It’s okay to feel out other canidates.
Name a better Democrat.
They need to have a better platform, have a lot of political and funding connections, and have at least as good name recognition as Biden to have a shot at overcoming incumbency bias.
He’s soft in the largest generational blocs (millennials gen z) and we all know it.
No-one in politics should give a fuck about millennials or zoomers because they don’t vote in large enough numbers to matter. If they voted, sure, cater to them. But as long as they keep having the woe is me, voting doesn’t do anything attitude, they’re going to keep getting ignored.
This is also why I think Bernie is a dumbass - not because I don’t agree with his policies, but because he tried to court people who won’t make the small effort to cast a ballot in his favor.
Anyone who thinks a sitting president won't be the party nominee in the next election (barring a case like LBJ who voluntarily chose not to run) is deluding themselves.
The only thing that could stop Biden at this point is some kind of medical intervention.
The state of the country is so bad that the only thing that bring it back is literally two accidental medical interventions. Our political system needs a major overhaul
Fundamentally disagree. If Trump and Biden both died on the same day before the election, it would not change a thing, other than make the next election even more contentious. Project 2025 doesn't go away just because Trump would be gone in that scenario.
Agreed. It's going to take decades of concerted efforts, because the fascists aren't simply going to give up after a few losses.
It's not as if any other Republican candidate won't be a frothing fascist. We've got fucking DeSantis heeling in the wings.
And there aren't any other Democrats with enough name recognition to put forward a good game at this point. Maybe if Biden had announced he wouldn't seek a 2nd term in 2020 we'd have someone. But a sudden double-death before the general election is going to be MUCH more likely to favor a Republican.
ATM that would leave a Christian Nationalist as the president. What a wonderful system we have...
Gotta get the money out and require someone to be who they say they are to share content on the Internet.
Biden should have he sense to stop Biden. And there should be an upper age limit placed on the role.
That would make a Trump victory significantly more likely. Throwing away incumbent advantage is incredibly stupid if you want to win.
Upper age limit would require an amendment.
My heart is with you but do you remember the last primarys? 2016 they were not. I liked some of those folks, some even more than Biden, but there was no "Obama 2.0".
I strongly dislike Joe for 1132 different reasons, but can you really imagine spooling up anyone else at this point?
I hate it. And I hope the dem party fractures into factions and the best can get through. Just after the GOP finishes it's implosion because it's terrifying.
Edit: I also had serious misgivings with Obama. But my point is of the dem primary cantidates leading up 2020 the best you can say is they were as memorable as Howard Dean.
An absolutely massive controversy could see him stepping down or losing the primary, but he hasn't had anything like that.
But there's almost no chance to beat both an incumbency bias and name recognition. Maybe if there was another contender as popular and well known they'd have a shot but probably still slim.