‘Pipe down’: Biden allies step up calls for Dems to rally around president
‘Pipe down’: Biden allies step up calls for Dems to rally around president
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‘Pipe down’: Biden allies step up calls for Dems to rally around president
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Here's the thing - what is the viable alternative? We are talking the orange blob otherwise, which means fascism, and the end of democracy in this nation.
Is Biden perfect? Of course not. Is he too old? Yeah, most likely. All the purity ponies and the so-called "independents" that are setting us up for another "win" (EC only) of the orange blob are not really thinking this through...
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This is where I'm at. Biden is not my preferred candidate, but I don't see a better alternative stepping up. Witmer, Newsome, Shapiro, etc have all opted not to run. Joe Biden is the strongest candidate running for president that can and has beat Trump, end of story. I'd love to live in a world where I can vote for a young progressive in the 2024 general election, but we simply don't live in that world. The focus should be on pushing Biden to the left, not complaining that he's taking the place of some imagined candidate that doesn't exist.
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Witmer, Newsome, Shapiro, etc have all opted not to run.
They've opted not to challenge Biden, that doesn't mean if he stepped aside we'd just have some nobody. Unfortunately he really is the decision point on whether we're stuck with him, and people who become president aren't known for their propensity to fade into the background and let someone else take charge.
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I want to preface this by saying I'm voting for Biden.
All the purity ponies and the so-called “independents” that are setting us up for another “win” (EC only) of the orange blob are not really thinking this through…
So, those people still exist. The party still needs their votes. Browbeating ain't gonna bring them on board. Is the party going to try appealing to them, or does it prefer Dictator Trump to lowering itself to treating the left like valued constituents?
I'm voting for Biden. But I'm also disappointed that the stuff he ran on was gleefully jettisoned by the congress that he said would work with him because of his experience. The people who are happy that minimum wage stayed put and most of BBB was gutted are now turning around and being like "vote for us! you have no choice!" and it looks for all the world like they're taking advantage of the situation.
People are giving up. Out of apathy, out of disgust, because they feel betrayed. Fuck, I'm voting for Biden and I'm feeling apathetic, disgusted, and betrayed.
Biden has 11 months to turn this around. His supporters who are demanding unquestioning happiness from everyone who has been let down by this administration aren't moving that needle in the direction that gets him re-elected. But damn, does it feel good to browbeat people who see what's coming if the party doesn't alter course.
This last sentence is the fourth time I'm going to mention that I'm voting for Biden, and I expect all four will be ignored.
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Another Biden voter here:
Member the democratic primary when Joe threatened to beat up somebody questioning his (questionable as hell) record?
I member.
People don't get it, like fuck Biden. Fuck trump more, of course, but fuck Biden. And fuck all these people who want you to spoon the shit soup in with a smile.
They did the same thing to us this time as they do every time. They lied to get us to vote for them then turned around and feigned helplessness when we demanded they actually follow through.
It feels like our choices are "dark path that leads to widespread political violence" or "dark path that continues existing political violence on a smaller scale."
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Isn't the BBB a private company
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My comment is not really aimed at people that are voting for Biden, while recognizing his issues. I'm in the same camp. Do I want a more progressive candidate? Yes. Do I wish the Democratic Party was much more progressive than it is? Hell yes.
My comment is about people that are either too cynical/too pure and insist they are going to remain "above it all" by either bowing out entirely, or throwing their vote away on ridiculous third party candidates. Or even worse, voting for donnie in the hope of some accelerationist BS fantasy that is going to put leftists in the seat of power, somehow.
I'm not sure if I'm more sick of that type, or the entirely low-info that keep claiming, no matter what the facts are, that "the economy is terrible", so it doesn't really matter who wins (and will vote for donnie in some cases, because "Biden is old" or some other fiddly irrelevant nonsense). All I know is that between these two types, our country is hanging in the balance...
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How many times do we have to keep voting for the lesser evil. The more years I've been doing this the more voting for the lesser evil I hear.
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Until the people who don't want the job are so fed up with how it's being done that they take the job themselves.
That's some of what sets apart an earnest politician from a corrupt one.
Personally, I think society would benefit if I got into politics. But I have so much work to do on my personal life that I don't have anything left to give. Maybe someday when I am on more sure footing, I can throw my hat in the ring and start getting involved in small scale local politics to see if I have any chops for it, but I don't know when that might be.
If we keep asking why are all these people in charge assholes, I have to ask, well why don't you run for office then?
And the sad reality seems to be that it's only the people comfortable and stable enough in life that they have the security and freedom to get into politics. Those people tend to be wealthier people they are also older. And that is not a demographic that is very representative of the teeming masses.
But hell, we barely even vote in this country. Other countries put us to shame when considering voter turnout. Voting should be the absolute bare minimum level of effort.
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Until people get pissed off enough to start being politically active and not just passive participants in the process. When the "high bar" is merely "showing up to vote after glancing over the candidates" what do people expect?
Get involved in local politics. Volunteer for candidates that reflect your actual ideals -- or run for a local office yourself. Actually talk to other voters about issues, form coalitions to do something about it. Annoy the shit out of your elected officials and hold them accountable. Be loud, be pissed off, and use that energy to do something other than complain on social media about it.
Anyone that actually wants change needs to realize it requires being and active participant in politics. The problem is most people don't because it's frequently frustrating, disheartening, and exhausting work just for minor change. It's a thankless slog towards a better future on top of just trying to survive.
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voting for the lesser evil
Unfortunately it's baked into the cake.
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There will be multiple Climate Wars ongoing before they consider that it may be the time to try and break away from the two parties that caused it.
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The alternative is PRIMARY HIM. That ass doesn’t deserve our vote and his hubris that he will get it no matter what is driving this country into a game of chicken with madness. He must retire and the only way he will listen is if we credibly refuse to support him NOW
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Didn't he initially say he was going to be a one termer? If so, he should keep his word. Either way, he should be primaries.
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Politics is a process. This is the time where the parties (all two) have to sort out their policy platform and the candidates to run on that platform.
So it isn't just about it being Biden, let alone Trump. The "alternative" can also include a Biden actually pivoting to a different, more popular set of policies. He could even get some mileage on the things he ran on in 2020 and has barely moved on since, like public healthcare option or a minimum wage increase.
The bigger problem is Biden now has a 3 term track record in the White House snubbing progressive policy.
He can't promise anything anymore, he has to actually deliver, and he is running out of time, if he hasn't already. (He most likely has.)
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What does the lemmy hive mind think of Marianne Williamson?
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She was dismissed four years ago as bonkers. Right or wrong, that stuck. She stands no chance.
I would guess that the prevailing sentiment here is "Not Biden? ENEMY!"
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Trump flavored candidates have done terribly in almost every election since, pretending Trump winning is a forgone conclusion is doomer rhetoric.
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Biden started out well in 21 and 22 because he tried to appeal to his progressive base. That being said, Biden is a fucking moron if he believes his neolib pivot didn't hurt his poll numbers.
It's not too late, Biden needs to pivot back to progressive policies instead of this blame the voters BS like Hillary tried. Blame leaders, not voters.
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It says a lot that this piece doesn’t even acknowledge Biden’s advocacy for Israel’s genocide as any kind of factor in his sinking support.
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Trump's people think Biden is holding back and that we should be assisting Israel even more. There are Evangelicals who believe that we should nuke the whole Middle East to bring about the end times.
I really don't see not voting for Biden
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That’s on purpose, conservative leaning media has been pushing the Hamas Israel conflict whenever possible but it’s fuckin crickets when Joe fucking Biden and blinken actually pull out a cease fire and hostage swap, with more to come.
They just want Donald back to up their clicks as everyone wakes up and sees what wild fascist bs he has done that day.
And you better believe the hill is conservative owned and biased. Just look at how they behaved during the dark years
Beyond his relationship with Solomon, Trump, and Giuliani, Finkelstein (Hill owner) was Solomon’s direct supervisor at The Hill and created the conditions which permitted Solomon to publish his conspiratorial stories without the traditional oversight implemented at news outlets. And he has kept a watchful eye on the newspaper’s coverage to ensure it is not too critical of the President.
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fuck the hill, right wing owned and biased trash
Just look at the word they chose for the title, implying they are just shouting down any dissent at all. Fuck these media fascist lovers
Another example: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/media/jimmy-finkelstein-the-hill-ukraine/index.html
Beyond his relationship with Solomon, Trump, and Giuliani, Finkelstein (owner) was Solomon’s direct supervisor at The Hill and created the conditions which permitted Solomon to publish his conspiratorial stories without the traditional oversight implemented at news outlets. And he has kept a watchful eye on the newspaper’s coverage to ensure it is not too critical of the President.
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Except for Tom Daschle who gave a pretty non-committal response, the names in this article seem like nobodies. Why are the statements of random consultants a news story? Who cares what the "deputy campaign manager for John Kerry’s 2004 presidential run" or a "senior policy adviser at Holland & Knight and former senior policy adviser to Vice President Harris" says?
I sure hope these aren't the names that come up when someone asks "who are Biden's closest allies".
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Probably the same folks who decided to put 81 candles on a tiny cake
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
But some Democrats say comments like Axelrod’s aren’t helping especially as Biden continues to face poor polling numbers, encouraging the party to instead coalesce around the president to give him a boost.
That followed a New York Times and Siena College poll earlier this month that found Trump leading Biden in critical battleground states.
Senate Democrats are also now pushing back hard on criticism from within their own party, dismissing concerns about Biden’s electability as counterproductive.
Messina, Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, has been an advocate for Biden on social media, posting on X this week, “Polls a year out are about as good at predicting election results as a magic 8 ball would be.” Plouffe, Obama’s 2008 campaign manager, has long warned against Democrats ‘bedwetting’ and worrying about political outcomes.
Meanwhile, independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been polling with a high favorability in recent surveys, which some find problematic.
The campaign has a year to show voters the difference they’ve made and the significant legislative success over the first term, amidst extreme odds,” Nelson said.
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Brocialists being dragged kicking and screaming even to vote for their own guy in the primary then wonder why the policy heads pivot right towards independents who will actually turn out to vote.
Ultra Lefties being the self righteous collaborators with fascists since Weimar and the Spanish Civil War.
May those of us who actually need solidarity die quickly and quietly so they can feel oh so cathartic for "avenging" us.
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Get better soon <3
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I would but the brocialists vote striking so damn much means I can't afford healthcare to get better! Even in the fucking primaries against the candidates in favor of fully public medicine!
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If you don't like Joe Biden, they only way to tell the Democratic party to change is by voting for Jill Stein.
They will keep sabotaging the primaries to get trash like Joe Biden until you leave and make them change.
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LOL, the Russian cutout? No THANK YOU.
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she's not a Russian cutout.
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Are all 234k members in the Green party US Russian plants?
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I like you
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Ty
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Reason number 1: You don't want to live in a hellish dictatorship.
You have two options here: vote for an old guy who did some good stuff or actively or passively vote for fascism.
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Attitudes like this honestly piss me off more than conservatives. You didn't get the options you wanted, so you decided to just give up, take your ball, and go home. Grow the hell up. We don't quit just because shit looks bleak, we keep on pushing until we can see the sun poking through the clouds, because that is the only way we will ever see it. If we give in to despair now, we will never get there. Even if it seems pointless, or like things aren't getting better, I can guarantee you it can always, ALWAYS be worse. And THAT is your reason to vote.
I'm sorry if that reason isn't as optimistic as you were hoping for, but that's the reality that we live in. And it will never get better if we just bitch about unfairness and bury our heads in the sand. If we want things to get better, we need to make them better. And that starts with you. Please, be better than this. I know you have it in you.
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As someone who has elderly in-laws, as someone who has a child, as someone who doesn’t want to inflict suffering on others regardless if they are a “shit lib” or an aging maga voter, I don’t see any utility in letting it “burn”. You don’t recover from this. If you want to see how that works, look at Russia. People are just resound to the fact that this is the best they could look forward to. After decades of government control, people just wilt and accept it as the new normal. It’s not fun. It’s not heroic. It’s just sad.
My family fled Russia in the 1980s prior to the collapse because my family saw bad getting worse. This could easily happen to the U.S. I don’t get how helping fuel this with apathy results in anything better.
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Points gun at dick
Shouts menacingly: I’ll fucken do it!
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If only it was their OWN dick that these people were pointing a gun at...
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In this case, it's not about either choice making your life better, it's about one choice actively making your life worse vs. Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden.
Under Trump, the US will become a failed state:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/trump-interview-jail-political-opponents-glenn-beck
When did the Democrats become the status quo party? 🤔
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Tbf, he should abdicate to a younger Democrat. I don't want to "settle for Joe".
I was pissed when Bernie Sanders had the rug pulled out from under him.
I really want to consolidate, but not under Joe Biden.
I want change. I want new ideas. Progress and solutions. Biden has been in government for over fifty years- most of that in the senate for over 40 years.
He’s been a senator longer than I’ve been alive
It’s not a question of age. It’s a question of stagnation.
I'll take stagnation over fascism. What is the short term plan? I mean, what happens if the orange blob snakes his way back in because the purity ponies and the "independents" stomped their feet and had a hissy?
If that guy and his cohort get back in, it is most likely over for real elections in America.
Then vote for someone else in the primaries. But as soon as it is the general election it is either the democrat or fascism. Even if you don't vote at all, it will just strengthen the fascist party.
There's no Democratic primary this year.
You’re right about what we have to do, but are we even having primaries this time? Because of how the primary process was scheduled in 2020 Biden had the nomination all but locked up by the time I got to vote in them. I’m 100% voting for Biden, you can look into my comments and find me admonishing some asshole advocating for third party presidential candidates over Biden. But I do understand the frustration with having to vote again for someone I didn’t want the first time and isn’t representative of the direction I want the country to move in besides not wanting to be in a fascist theocracy.
The electoral college decides who takes office. I vote third party because the popular vote doesn't mean shit (in most states iirc) and I want to do my part to show, statistically, that the democrats need to move left. We can't have two far-right parties in control of this country, and so long as they're running with Biden that's what they are.
I think the Democrats are fascist.
I want to vote to change the voting system. We deserve to vote for who we trust with the job rather than against the candidate we fear most.
I have to compartmentalize pretty hard each election cycle. I wish I had time to campaign for a voting system change, but I haven't.
Should have been Bernie. SMH
It won't work. Conceding the already filled chair is seen as a weakness and they will parade that thought around. We know better, but they will not let the Dems live it down. It's the Dem nomination in 28 that matters. This year is Joe and maybe Trump. Depending on the stupidity of the Reps.
That would nearly guarantee a win for Trump. Incumbency advantage is strong as is name recognition. I don't like Biden either but he's better than a literal fascist. If Trump wins in 2024 there will not be an election in 2028.
I think Biden is a literal fascist.
More of this nonsense. Spent a fair bit of time on Reddit explaining to folks that few young people turned out for Bernie in the primary. That space was/is replete with apologists digging every conspiracy out of the book instead of acknowledging that Biden simply drew the most votes. And then of course there's a bit of obviousness that never gets addressed: Trump handing Bernie his ass.
Here we are again. Where are the primary voters? Seems a handful of people care to make noise over the results but only a fraction of that number even care to turn out for them. What does turn out is that most people don't end up giving a fuck about voting anything but the presidential election.
I'm sure the collective delusion feels good to immerse oneself in though.
There was no Biden to begin with. Bernie starts gaining traction and then, what? Biden comes out of the woodwork at the 11th hour to split the dem vote and gets bankrolled to prevent a far-left and progressive democrat party. Yeah, he was running on donations from the public, but he was absolutely gaining traction. He absolutely was sabotaged.
There were shenanigans to sink Bernie's ship. That being said, while I'd have been happy with him, there's no way he could've won looking at the map in hindsight. So I'm glad because Biden is better than another four years of Trump.
You're 100% correct that all the enthusiasm online didn't turn out young voters in the primary, and all the complaints about old people winning elections are mostly from the same demographic that didn't turn out to vote. They turned out in slightly greater numbers than usual but there is an untapped well of political power to change things if young people actually got each other to vote.
And time and time again you people refuse to look at the collusion against him by the DNC.
What he could have achieved if the party and media had worked with him instead of against him is anyone’s guess, but he did an amazing job in spite of them.