I just want to set a timer for MY FOOD WINDOWS WHY?

times have changed

Times have been updated.
- Chronology is progressing
Almost made me tear up a bit
Godamnit Einstein, not again.

they're probably patching a security flaw, because we live in the future now and it is perfectly normal for a simple clock to have backdoors that can read your bank accounts

"My dishwasher is on the internet!" - "Why is on the internet?" - "To download software updates!" - "Why does it need software updates?" - "To fix security vulnerabilities!" - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?" -"Because it's on the internet!"
- I never connected my refrigerator to the internet. Why the fuck would I need Bixby on my refrigerator? I don't even use the voice assistant on my phone.
- And here we have why I have not connected my smart dishwasher to the Internet. Those 2 extra wash cycles don't seem worth it. Especially considering I only ever use the most powerful sounding wash cycle.
- The fuck a smart dishwasher gonna do, play Mozart while my dishes get smashed around inside then receive a text message later saying "Oi it's me ur dishwasher I just finished the dishes" while it plays Mozart again but at max volume until you waddle your fatass over and press the 'shut the fuck up' button?
- Don't forget lightbulbs.
  https://support.sengled.com/hc/article_attachments/360041314774/mceclip3.png
The companies BUILD IN backdoors so that they can steal your data.
But because the backdoor is built in, they have to constantly monitor and update the security around it so that "bad guys" (they don't think they are the bad guys) don't get in.
They only do security updates to prevent liability iirc.
The whole thing stinks.
Note: I'm not a software developer just an outraged bystander with tech hobbies and techy friends, it's possible this isn't true.
- No need for backdoors when the front door is perfectly legal. The need to monitor for bad actors is still correct, though; mostly because they skimp on development costs and penetration testing. Like they say, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Or in this case, slashing budgets.
- It’s difficult to monetise data if you source it illegally (except in China maybe). Nobody reads the ToS anyway so it’s not like you need a backdoor.
- My biggest question to this type of thing is, what data? Why is it you're all so concerned about a tech company knowing how you use their services or what you're spending your money on?
  The only ones I'm worried about doing that are foreign owned companies that operate in realms where my personal data could be actively harmful. I don't use TikTok because our only real military adversary is using it to assemble Petabytes worth of data on Western populations which they can turn into cyberware via reactionary propaganda.
  Know what I don't care about? Doordash knowing what I'm more likely to spend my money on. Microsoft trying to sell me an Office365 subscription.
  "Outraged bystander" yeah, clearly. Most of you are just parrots who follow the FOSS crowd but don't know enough to actually vet their information. You think they're all these full stack programmers who have deep insights but most of them are just paranoid hobbyists who think any shred of data on their spending habits = the end of the free world. As if Wingstop knowing your propensity of eating dry rub versus buffalo is worth anything at all beyond trying to sell you a product.
Great plot for hackers 2.
Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. You're just living daily life and then a terrorist kills your child by hacking the AC.
- Thank you. I forgot about that game. I had meant to play it for some time.

They are just getting you ready for Time 2.

Its faster and greener, with advertisements tailored to your interests!

Trying to get Windows 11 to show seconds.
Click the clock on the taskbar, which has worked as far as I remember, maybe even before Windows 95. Notifications and calendar pop up but no seconds.
Search “seconds” in settings. Apparently you can only have them shown on the taskbar permanently (with implied distraction and CPU usage).
Look in time settings. No seconds, either.
Open the Clock app. The update takes a minute. No seconds there, either.
Search the internet. Apparently this is a function Microsoft disabled in Windows 11 but can be restored with Explorer Patcher, along with the option to set taskbar transparency via Classic Shell (so that you can watch the status in another window while others are maximized).
Don't have time for that, install Linux instead
(I’m not even kodding. The only place where a vanilla Windows 11 installation will show seconds in GUI is a very obscure page deep in the unintuitive jungle of settings. Interesting that a $3 watch does something a Windows computer with a million times more transistors doesn't.)
- I also like Linux btw
Welcome to Clock 2.0, the new time and reminder experience from Microsoft! Powered by Bing AI and Microsoft OneDrive.
Sync your time zones, alarms, and reminders to all your devices via Microsoft OneDrive
Get suggested wake-up times powered by Bing AI and your calendar!
Use of Clock is governed by the Microsoft Cloud Connected Experiences Privacy Policy (click here to view).
Click I Agree to start your use of Microsoft Clock!
and for all this, your alarm reminders become yet another datapoint for personalized ads, your phone alarm to wake you up then plays at full blast through the living room computer and wakes everybody else up, and you agreed to a 750kb privacy policy that displays in a 2"x3" window with 500 pages to scroll through.
- Note: A connection to Microsoft OneDrive is required.
  Timers will not trigger without an Internet connection.
- through the living room computer and wakes everybody else up
  Are you not switching your computer off at night?
Finally! Time v1 hasn't had an update in 4.54 billion years.
Time 2
Which we can tell on theclock 2
- Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  clock 2
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Do we lose another eleven days during the switchover?

That update is going to take some time.

Man....fuck you....take your upvote and gtfo
Estimated update time is being updated please wait [Estimated update time is being updated please wait[Estimated update time is being updated please wait…] minutes] minutes
- Aww man

Plus Linux could update it in the background while the app is running. There's no reason windows can't do these things, and yet, it can't.
- It can't, really. What Linux will do (and Windows won't) is delete old files and replace them with new ones while they are still in use. But this has two problems.
  It can lead to stability issues. See e.g. Firefox, which refuses to open new tabs and can't shut down cleanly if you update using the package manager while the browser is running. If you replace a binary executable in use and it later tries to load a shared library dynamically, it will get an unexpected version of that shared library which can potentially lead to memory corruption. Similar problem if the program tries fork+exec itself to create more instances (like Firefox and Chrome do).
  It won't actually update the running process in memory, so even if you install security fixes your system will still be vulnerable. To be safe after e.g. fixes to libc you really need to reboot your system, but most distributions hide this fact from the user.
  Windows could certainly opt for a similar solution as Linux. They just chose a stricter and more reliable model for file locking, for good or bad. For what it's worth I personally prefer the Linux model, but that's because I know to reboot my system after updating it. I don't trust my dad to take that social responsibility so he needs to be forced.
Clock app’s dependencies includes isNotOdd which has a dependency called isOdd.
- You're confusing linux with nodejs.
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- There's a configuration file you can edit to prevent that. The Flatpak configures this automatically for you.
- Linux distros usually raises a reboot required flag. But thats usually to complete some kernel or system update. Windows just go ahead and reboot on update ruining the workflow.
  When you get the message to reboot ignore it and do your work. Then shutdown after doing it. Turn on when you need it the next time. And its all well
- “updates were installed, you should reboot”.
  But I think you can ignore it, the updates just will not take effect until you reboot.
I work at night and Windows loves to push Windows Updates at night regardless of my normal work schedule.
Take a trip to the bathroom or just don't move the mouse for a few minutes and Windows will reboot (fuck whatever you had running) and spent an hour or two installing an update (fuck the rest of your night)
Linux doesn't ever try to force itself on you like that, it's a respectable OS
"DAE too many Linux posts?! BRB need to reboot windows for the 30th time today."
That's a strawman argument, I can't remember the last time I had to reboot Windows, and the last few updates have only taken a few minutes. They also install on shutdown most of the time.
- I use Windows on both my work and home PC. I had to reboot both twice today. I'll probably be switching my home PC to Linux over the holiday weekend.
Linux bros really a blight on lemmy
I have never had problems with windows updates nor has it never rebooted on me. Dunno what the hate is for, at least windows works without knowing 79 different programming languages and having to scour through git repos from 2002 for drivers just to get a driver compiled for your headset (it wont compile because it requires a bingbong-SDK mainted by a guy from turkey who refuses to update it from 1.95v2 to more recent 1.99-6 which is incompatible with your dial-up modem)
- Hilarious joke 🙄
- You've never had windows reboot on you for an update? Are you running 3.1 or something?
- From command line it's "sudo dnf update" for example and if you use flatpak, "flatpak update", updates everything. Or just click update in software manager.
  There are programs that are not compiled/packaged by their developers and you have to do it yourself, but so are on Windows. But for OS from Microsoft noone would mention such program, because compiling on Windows is nightmare in comparason. C for example was designed for Unix-like systems. More high-level languages have less dependency installing, but still.
  Nowadays people run WSL to compile programs for Windows and that says something...
  EDIT: To people in responses below, don't get too engaged to something that can be trolling.
- Not everyone uses windows just to play solitaire Margret.
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- I have never needed to use my programming knowledge to use Linux nor have I had an issue with drivers. Dunno what the hate is for, at least Linux works without changing half the values in the registry to make it tolerable or having an active internet connection (it won't install the OS without making you create a Microsoft account unless you open a secret command prompt to disable the Internet requirement and lie about not having Internet so they can attach all of the information they collect on you to a profile that enables them to deliver more relevant advertisements directly to your operating system)
- Meanwhile I had to reboot Windows four times today.

We have altered the Clock app. Pray we do not alter it further.

It will now report home every timer you've ever set, what names you gave them, and what browser tabs were open at the time.
- "We're making the clock app cloud enabled! Now you'll be able to set and clear alarms from any of your Windows™ connected devices! We've also implemented customisable actions with PowerShell scripting now fully integrated! Want your display to show a lovely sunrise every morning? Clock App can do it!"
  Next minute -
  "Security update 13112023-33: A malicious user can access the internet-exposed ClockAccess™ interface on your devices, setting alarms with scripted actions that can cause complete loss or exfiltration of your data.
  To mitigate this issue, we have shifted ClockAccess™ to a more secure, fully cloud-based service. This also means that once updated, the application will be unavailable if there is no internet access. Please adjust your usage of the application accordingly.
  As the Clock app runs under a Local Administrator account on consumer versions of Windows™ and Domain Administrator on Windows Server™ machines, this is a high priority update and it will be installed on application startup without user confirmation. You may notice increased resource utilisation by the Clock App, this is a necessary increase due to new and improved security features. It is recommended that at least one vCPU and 1.5GB of memory be made available at all times for efficient operation of the app."
- But not what time you set the timers for. That's in a future update
This deal is getting worse all the time!

Incoming the switch to Linux tribe...

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- No, no Its GNU/Linux Lol
- I'd just like to interject for a moment.
You haven't really lived until you've played UT2K4 on Hannah Montana linux.
- I don't disagree.
  For the first time, I am actually dual booting with Mint and using it. Honestly, it wouldn't be a thing without Proton. Props to Valve!
🐧🐧🐧🐧
Windows users get so pissy when you tell them they're doing it wrong.
- You should see Linux users when you tell them that the problems they have with Windows haven't been a thing since XP
- You guys are just very annoying. We all know linux exists but I kinda like being able to play all games I want without needing to check if my OS can handle it lmao

Any app that chooses to update or ask you a bunch of questions when you just want to use it CAN GET FUCKED. Open a loyalty app: would you like to rate our app? No. Would you like to see nearby deals? NO. Notifications for nearby deals would be useful.. NOOO! Earn double points tomorrow... MOther F*)(&^*&(%!!1

Exactly, the app should install updates in the background and apply them after the app is closed.
- I'd even settle for an unobtrusive modal asking what to do like a "yes | no | never | settings" kind of deal
Every time I open filezilla and notepad++ I'm in for an update. Fucking annoying.
So you're getting rid of Steam, right?

It's a smart clock

The smarter the tech, the dumber the privacy agreement

I would like to move into a paradigm of no software updates for things software updates are not appropriate for.

You've seen clock. How about CLOCK 2.0, with customizable options like crypto AI blockchain?
- And we made it better by removing several features, but we made the font really big and thin, and added a bunch of whitespace around everything so it takes up a ton of room. That makes it modern and "accessible," see?
- CLOCK 2.0, coming soon, free with ads!
Well, either roll such updates out centrally, which Windows is capable of, I don't know why they don't use it here.
Or make it an entirely optional download, where the user can decide when to download.
Or just make the update process less shit. Don't block usage until the update is applied. And ideally just swap out the files in the background, although unfortunately that really isn't easily doable on Windows.
- roll such updates out
  This seems counter to the goal of not having updates
And updates at non-intrusive times for the rest. I've been late for so many meetings when Zoom insists on doing some painfully slow update. (I know I could open it 5 minutes earlier but it's still a bad user experience.)

Duh, obviously you need to create a windows account to use the clock app 🙄

shit drives me bonkers. I tried to get the Dolby Atmos plugin. Has to be done on the store, which HAS to be signed into windows. No i dont want any of that. let me buy it from your site and redeem a code or something. I dont want to sign into the store. at all.
I just went with the alternative. Installing the logitech control software, restricting its internet access but using its dolby DTS features.
- Is that a paid app?
  Because as dumb as the Windows Store is, you can still download and install anything provided it's a free app without a Microsoft account still. I just tried it and it still works, although I didn't try an exhaustive list of apps. If it gives you a pop up nagging about a Microsoft account, just cancel out of the log in pop up and the app will still download and install.

little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since they're 'store' updates now, you have even less control over them. it's rather annoying.

little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since they’re ‘store’ updates now, you have even less control over them. it’s rather annoying.
This is actually not a Windows but a general modern development issue. Things need to change. Change! CHAAAAANGE! Value! Effort! Work! Endlessly! GROWTH!
Look at how many apps update every 1-3 days. It's crazy.
- I was hoping once Moore's law crapped out companies would switch their focus from "CHANGE! FEATURES! MOAR CHANGR11!1" to performance and stability. What a fool I was.
  This has driven me nuts about computers for 30 years at least. More things used to be built for a couple lifetimes. I guess capitalism (or maybe stock investments) pushed ever increasing consumption. And so we get this need for everything changing all the time.
  Out in my garage I have a set of wood planes that are basically the same design for the last 120 years. My oldest is, I think, 1940s. Stanley is still selling these without any changes because they're not needed. My newest plane I got in 2022. They don't need new features. They work.
  Software could be like this. Focus on stability first, then performance, then truly helpful, necessary features third. The latter are a lot rarer when you stop changing for the sake of changing.
one mans "rather annoying" is another mans "fucking infuriating"... i'm the other man
- Come to linux, we have the ability to update every 10 seconds or never, entirely your choice.

For some reason windows will update their own app from their own app store, and then immediately apply another update when you open the app.

Their whole system is so hacked together.

For your food windows?

I misread that, too. With punctuation, it would be:
...for my food. Windows, why?!
(They're addressing the Windows operating system.)
- That's not misreading, that's miswriting!
Windows: Feed me!
- ~~with your data~~
- Order corn

Just yesterday it requested me to verify my account (with a full UAC dialog) before opening the clock app. I guess it was trying to sync (?) the custom alarms/timers (??) between my devices (???) but... WTF, Microsoft.

What are "food windows"?

Microsoft is so successful that they turned windows into a meme.

Ah yes I need to update my lock so I can get the latest ads and spyware.

Image Transcription: Windows Software Dialog Box

Clock

Clock needs an update. We are getting the update ready for you...

A stopwatch icon is shown.

And once again the community proves that it needs renamed to c/MicrosoftSucks because that's the only type of content you'll find here.

The early pioneers of Lemmy are mostly software developers. Software memes will remain overrepresented until more diverse waves of people join.
- Which is why they won't join, they see it as being only a place for vegan Linux bros. It's a self destructive cycle that you can only end with better moderation.
I just opened the latest messages in there :
broken university form
some broken captcha
a split kitchen sink
windows 10 bugging people about accounts
this post
a pyramid scheme about books idk
something about devices with bad batteries
road stuff
restaurant bill
paypal
linux stuff
adobe
youtube
youtube
a karen in central park
microsoft teams
instagram
cars
shrinkflation at IKEA
mobile roaming prices
That's… two posts about Microsoft. Clearly the only type of content you'll find here.
- +1 gold
  Oooops, forgot I wasn't on reddit...
- That's… two posts
  Three, actually. While I agree with you, it is still arguably the number one company that annoys people on that list ʘ‿ʘ
You forgot about reposted pictures of restaurant receipts.

Just had a similar issue with Samsung watch. Go to time food and the entire ui changed that I need to figure out but my food is on the grill already

The most annoying thing with these updates is the way they don't give you any kind of indication of what's happening on your system during an update.

Have had cases where an application was 'updating' and looking in task manager/networking tab I can see no network traffic and no disk usage, seemingly hung up for 15 minutes or longer.

Literally just useing the sleep function and pinging random domains

I got you OP. Pull up YouTube. The microwave time for 12 pizza rolls is exactly the length of the song "Scraping the Bottom of the Barrel" by Frank Hudson.

The Hudson Hawk school of timers.

Windows

there's your problem

Where is the timer? I dont have one. I need to install one through apt
- The way allah intended
- One minute timer: sleep 60 ; tput bel

Finally, clock 2

It seems you opened clock for the first time, that's why it's updating

Whenever my dad's tablet gets an OS update it takes about five minutes to "optimize your apps". I don't know if it's effective because the tablet is slow as hell despite being pretty new.

Yeah that's the case for all Android devices. That's because Android apps are delivered in a platform-independent way (.apk files) and to make apps faster, some code that would normally be run in a VM is compiled to native code to be faster. Updates may change the optimization process, that's why it's always done after one.
Also fuck most Android tablets being slow as hell.
If it is a Samsung, boot into recovery mode and clear cache then optimize apps every time after a system update. It's annoying but it helps with performance and battery life (my experience is with Samsung, could be an android thing)

It's an msix application. (98% certain) For some reason Microsoft set it to upgrade from any Version and prompt or rather forcefully updated to latest version on launch. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/msix/app-installer/update-settings

Windows usually does this the first time you open a pre-installed app in an installation.

They need to add a 3 back to the clock. That 3 bug is a big problem.

JUST USE LINUX

Got an error while compiling the clock.

New calendar system incoming lol

What's wrong with a old fashioned physical timer?

I get distracted and twist them with too much force, and then they're just broken :(
- Username checks out.
- Can get cheap electric timers
My digital timers have a ton of labeled times I've set for various things. One press and I'm set, and I can have multiple going at once and know at a glance which one is done or nearly so. My memory isn't good enough to keep track of how long things take, and I lose physical notes. Having those notes all saved within a clock app attached to their own timers is far too convenient for me to do away with
- I have completely forgot about that use for them

I'll recommend you install a third party application prehaps someone has made a decent Foss alternative to the windows clock app

That's likely the case, but the clock application is very much something I would not only expect to come with the operating system, but would consider it a solved problem in the first place. I should not need to look for a FOSS clock. It should be standard feature everywhere, and just work. I could have whipped out a passible clock app second year of university.
- Yeah but system updates can break any app and would require an update

Legit, why do simple apps like timers need updates? Makes me wonder what kind of bloat features (or spyware??) they're adding.

I feel like there’s been a growing number of “shit windows does” posts on lemmy recently. It makes me glad I dropped that OS long ago.

BloatyNosy, thank me later