‘I don’t recall’: Ivanka Trump testifies in father’s New York fraud trial
‘I don’t recall’: Ivanka Trump testifies in father’s New York fraud trial
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‘I don’t recall’: Ivanka Trump testifies in father’s New York fraud trial
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I'm not surprised this was her strategy. Seems likw the easiest way to avoid perjury.
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It was either that or the fifth and because it's a civil trial taking the fifth can absolutely be used against you unlike a criminal trial so thats probably why she went with the "I dunno" defense
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"i can't recall" allows inferences too. Remember, it's a civil trial so the bar is "a preponderance of the evidence"- which, as a standard, is that a claim is 'more likely true than not true';
the "i can't recall" and the "i plead the fifth" are both a refusal to provide evidence, and that refusal allows the judge to make inferences about what you're not providing evidence. That said, they've already lost the trial, and they're probably going to get fucked even if she had perfect clarity... so the civil trial is more or less a lost cause (and a poltiical campaign point for Trump.). providing testimony might mitigate some of the fines... but probably would expose them to further criminal charges.
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Also, politically, pleading the fifth will absolutely imply wrongdoing to most people.
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But why is her neck so long?
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She doesn't recall
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Fantastic game. Little nightmares.
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They must have had to pull her sternum up to give her a chin. She looked like a beardless version of her brothers before the surgery
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Guess she found a babysitter….
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So, assuming the ability to recall emails that contain evidence of an intent to defraud or a crime does not exonerate people (eg, saying you don’t remember robbing the bank isn’t going to get you out of the video evidence of you doing so), what’s the procedure here?
Since this is a civil trial, can the court infer the intent to deceive based on the evidence presented? I know that taking the 5th in civil trials can be inferred as evasive and negative in some states for civil but not criminal trials, but I don’t know how that applies here.
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Judge has already ruled that fraud was done. This part of the trial is just to figure out the penalties. The more they can muddy waters as to who, exactly did the fraud, the more they can hope the judge treats them like absurdly negligent morons rather than criminal masterminds.
It's like there's this committee of Trumps, and they're going one by one, asking "who shat in the punchbowl?" None of the kids can remember doing it, and their daddy just thinks it's a travesty that we're even talking about the steaming load. The evidence is all there, everyone knows what happened, but it's hard to know how much of a team effort it was and whom to punish.
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Since this is a civil trial, can the court infer the intent to deceive based on the evidence presented?
yes.
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"I don't recall"
aka
"I definitely recall but this canned phrase is basically a get out of jail free card in America"
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Only if you're rich.
https://securityaffairs.com/59757/hacking/iphone-passcode-police.html
https://casetext.com/case/gray-v-state-336 5 Months for 'Not Remembering something'
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In civil trials out didn't work like that. If they can at all prove you knew or should have known the answer you can catch contempt.
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Yeah and if you act like a baboon then you also get contempt yet here we are - Trump has not been found in contempt. Anyone else in the entire world would be locked up for attitude alone
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In criminal cases, the charges must be proven true beyond any reasonable doubt; probably == innocent. In civil cases, the bar is only more likely than not; probably == guilty.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
In one exchange Ivanka Trump was shown a series of emails and other documents relating to a loan from Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management division.
“I don’t recall,” she said, when asked about multiple documents and emails that showed she played a key role in deals to obtain financing for the Trump Organization.
Trump’s lawyers made the case that Deutsche Bank was delighted to do business with the family and favorable loans were part of their attempts to woo them.
The attorney general’s office had wanted Trump’s eldest daughter to testify in court before the former president himself took the stand, but ultimately rescheduled her appearance because of her appeal.
Before the trial started, Judge Arthur Engoron found Trump guilty of inflating the value of his assets on state financial statements that were used to broker deals and obtain loans.
Though Trump’s team is appealing the decision, he stands to lose his state business licenses if the appellate court sides with Engoron.
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Smartest person in the Trump family.
Which is still dumb compared to the average
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The McConnell Defense! Ah do nawt recahul.
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Those people must be all suffering from dementia
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Looks like someone learned from Olaf Scholz
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"i forgor"
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💀
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To be fair, I don't recall most of my time on hard drugs as well.
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All of Trump's children seem to have issues recalling details of their key roles in the family business.
Maybe they shouldn't be running such a big, important business with their memory problems.
As someone with long covid memory issues who hopes to do things with their life (but not exploitative things like the Trump family), this comment hurt a little. I know it's not targeted at me but life already feels much harder without the reminder that I'm perceived as less capable.
That's probably also my long covid low serotonin though.
I find it hilarious his children are still pretending like his will won't read like a happy meal receipt from McDonald's.
I think I believe them about this. All of them have been wildly wealthy their entire life. Super duper wealthy and cavalier about how they experiment with spending it (what more careful people might call “business ventures”). I figure their father leads by example.
I think they really might spend their time do stupid shit, signing papers people that hang around them give them to sign, look for media opportunities and basically ENJOY being fucking stupid wealthy. It’s possible they’ve been cosplaying at being successful business people.
If thats the case then why would they remember how things went down? How big a penthouse is? Or anything. I think they’re fucked because Trump cares about his actual wealth and has probably seen it go down over his lifetime way more than he wants. That core fear is might be why all the bluster and cons and fraud?