Sanders says he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible ‘with an organization like Hamas’

I don't think peace is possible when one side is holding the other in an open air prison and giving them only the amount of calories needed to not die (after the war started even that was suspended)

Stop calling it a prison, prisons are for convicted criminals, Palestinian's only crime is being Palestinian. These were open air concentration camps, they are now open air extermination camps
- prisons are for convicted criminals,
  Always?
- Have you ever seen Gaza? I thought it looked more like a city.
  Is "open air concentration camps" now a code word for dense urban city?
  Honestly this looks like a pretty nice city to me.
- No, a prison is just a facility designed to keep people inside against their will.
Does that change anything?
Hamas is a terrorist organization with strong ties to Iran. We've already seen what happens when terrorist groups destabilize countries and take control. Syria is an ongoing testament to that. So is Afghanistan
Are the Israeli Government's sins the reason why Hamas is in power? The extent is arguable, but it would be a lie to outright say "no".
But... does that change anything?
Hamas is the power in Gaza. Any form of concessions that don't involve the destruction of Hamas will be considered a win because the Palestinian people have been held in an open air prison for decades. And that will just lead to Hamas becoming more powerful.
If someone was abused horrifically as a child and decided to get a gun and take it out on others, what do you do? In a just world, you get them the help that they need. But in any world, the first thing you do is take the gun away before they can hurt anyone else.
What that means in this situation? I don't know. Short of external military intervention, the Israeli government is not going to stand down. And I for one don't want the US and NATO to fuck around in yet another middle eastern country for another two decades only to leave it considerably worse than we found it.
- You realize Israel is controlling the prison in reality, right?
  Hamas doesn't shoot Palestinians that go to far off the coast, Israel does.
  Hamas didn't erect a huge border wall around Gaza, Israel did.
  Hamas doesn't control the supply of food, water, and goods into Gaza. Israel does.
  Who controls Gaza?
- How about we start by defunding Israel, followed by sanctions?
Ok are you talking about Hamas or the Palestinian people? Cause I keep being told they're different, and that Hamas doesn't represent Palestinians, yet here you are talking about them as if they're the same. So which is it? Cause you're asking me to feel bad for Hamas fighters? Cause I won't.
- I didn't mention Hamas, I said Israel is oppressing Palestinians and you should feel bad for the nearly 4,000 children that died.
- It would be crazy if you had basic empathy for the almost 4,000 Palestinian children killed
- Surprise: It's not. They're giving them less than the amount they need not to starve.

Remember people,

Hamas != Palestina

Putin's mafia != Russia

Also with regard to Russians. I work retail, and lately have more and more Russians come in, speaking broken English, very polite, always respectful.
It both warms and breaks my heart to see them. It’s so sad that they’ve left their homeland, but it’s inspiring that they decided they’d rather move across the planet than be puppets to a warlord so deranged as to conscript soldiers.
They always seem a little sheepish. Always like “sorry, sorry” for asking me questions, for taking up my time. I just want to tell them “I’m so glad you’re here! You’re a blessing to me! Stop apologizing please!” but unless they come out and tell me their situation it’s not my place to comment on it.
We’ve got this dim view of “draft dodgers”, but the reality is it takes courage to say no to one’s own government, to put oneself in danger to avoid becoming an armed puppet of someone else’s ambition.
- They generally are, but one Russian lady was walking around our downtown and spray painted z on some of our crosswalk push buttons. Some of the other Russians I have met came over long ago to escape Russia or even the USSR and have nothing good to say about it.
  I feel waaaay more sorry for my Ukrainian friends and coworkers, particularly my friend's wife whose family back in Luhansk and Melitopol were bombed and sent to filtration camps. Never heard back from two of her cousins, 16 year old boys.
- I don't think there's actually a dim view of draft dodgers, just the ones that then try to be war hawk politicians
I keep thinking about “how much responsibility does a people have for its government?”
I’d say that Israel has zero moral claim to blame Gazans for Hamas, for one specific reason: the blockade on weapons into Gaza.
I think that if Gazans’ natural right to arm themselves were respected, it would be a different story. But there is literally no way for the Gazans to depose their ruling junta, because (a) that junta isn’t offering any elections and (b) the means to do it more directly are being denied to them.
Like, I think that we in the USA bear more responsibility for our government than Gazans bear for Hamas, because we have regular elections and we have access to weapons. We have two layers of escape clause from our government; they don’t have any.
I agree Hamas != Palestine. Hamas is just using the Palestinians as hostages. Like a “bodyguard” that you didn’t hire, can’t get to stop following you, and who regularly attacks people then hides behind you.
- Natural Right to arn themselves
  ... holy shit, this is peek shitamericanssay
  I agree on the Hamas != Palestine though, but I feel like the citizens of Gaza are not completely without blame in this.
- Are you then advocating for supplying weapons to Gaza?
  Do you feel that would be a wise decision?
  Because most Israelis are pissed at their PM for allowing Qatari funding to Gaza and Hamas. I would love to see their reaction to weapons being supplied to them. It would probably look pretty similar to what they are doing now.

You know, I wonder how many people would support guerilla tactics if they were living in the fucking hunger games.

Murdering civilians isn't 'guerilla tactics'. It's not even a useful form of terrorism.
- Seems to be working for Bibi.
Honestly probably the same amount of people who'd support carpet bombing Florida if they started firing missiles into neighbouring states.
If you only imagine yourself on one side it's easy to say the other one is evil but live isn't that simple really
- I mean it is florida after all; I'm not sure the missiles would be necessary.
- Nobody would support that,
  The combination of swamp gas and meth would turn the entire peninsula into the world's largest MOAB
  The crater would be large enough to expose the fucking mantle

Quite disappointed with Sen. Sanders on this one considering his general stance. Barack Obama had a better understanding here:

How about Israel stop bombing civilians so that Hamas doesn't get new recruits? Does it really not occur to them that 7000+ civilians killed is going to radicalize more youth. Especially since Gaza's demographic is mostly youngsters due to past conflicts killing off those who survive for longer.

It's quite clear that in this conflict, the following people have all the gain: Netanyahu who wants to prolong the war to keep corruption charges and an ouster at bay, by winning favor with Israel conservative fundamentalists; Hamas who successfully intervened when relations were about to be mended with the Saudis, Israel, and a few other countries; Putin, whom the U.S is funding against in the conflict with Ukraine; U.S. war manufacturers that supply the missiles to Israel.

Edit: Fixed some typos and an incorrect negation

Edit2: It's been pointed out to me that there was a wild misrepresentation of what Sanders said. My faith is restored. Thankfully it was I who foolishly fell for this clickbait.

Quite disappointed with Sen. Sanders on this one
If you ever read a headline about Bernie and are disappointed in what he said, it's a pretty good chance he said some other stuff too that got left out.
“The immediate task right now is to end the bombing,” Sanders said Sunday, “to end the horrific humanitarian disaster, to build – go forward with the entire world for a two-tier, two-state solution to the crisis to give the Palestinian people hope.”
Just because the headline doesn't have him also criticizing Netanyahu, doesn't mean he's suddenly supporting him.
- Agree with you. I was browsing when out on a weekend and fell for the clickbait.
- The problem with his idea is that Hamas actively refuses the two state solution and has been doing so violently for decades. That's their whole thing.
  And then you've got Netanyahu on the other side. Which... You know
The CNN article seems to be cherry-picking his statements. This is his op-ed on the topic which is much more in-depth:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/01/gaza-humanitarian-pause-bernie-sanders
Yeah you need to actually read what he said.
I mean, at this point, just stopping the bombing isn't going to stop giving Hamas recruits, because people will remember the bombings and other things already done, and will remember for a long time, and Hamas is certainly going to milk them for all they can get. Continuing the bombing makes things much worse of course, but just stopping by itself isn't all that's needed for peace, just the start. Which is what I suspect he's getting at based on some of the context other people have replied, a cease-fire that just returns things to how they were before the current elevated level of conflict isn't viable, because the same conditions would exist that led to what is going on now, and so it would just happen again sometime later.
Gaza doesn't have a young population because the old people died in fighting, Gaza has a young population because its birth rate is insane.

How 'bout we try it and see - what do we have to lose?

Innocent human lives. (Which the Jsraeli government is of course also carelessly discarding. But that's why I think Sanders' position is the most reasonable. We should definitely demand Israel greatly reduce the military force it's exerting, but a total ceasefire might not be entirely realistic)
- We lose "innicent human lives" in a ceasefire attempt? The killing will increase?
Last time ignoring Hamas ended up costing 1033 dead civilians and more than 3000 wounded. And anyone that thinks that Hamas wouldn't do worse war crimes in retaliation if the situations were inverted is deluding themselves.
Peace is not possible while Hamas has any power (the same being true for lots of Israeli organizations but this escalation is entirely on Hamas).
- 1033 dead civilians and more than 3000 wounded
  Only counting one side i see...
- Who is proposing ignoring Hamas? It's a ceasefire - not a new concept, and certainly not one that depends on ignoring the counterparty to that ceasefire.
  Israel has been the primary aggressor here for decades, and unless I'm mistaken, has propped up Hamas over the more secular, reasonable PLO tp establish this pretext for the genocide they're now attempting to carry out.
  Hamas are murderous jihadis, but they're a product of Israel's hostility and decisions to prop them up. Hamas are armed with small arms and a paraglider, Israel has a nuclear arsenal and F-35s. Depending on the count you use, over the past few decades, Palestinian casualties have outnumbered Israeli casualties between dozens to one and 500:1. The UN has called Israel's management of Palestine an open air concentration camp, and we've seen Israel's response to the Hamas attack has already carelessly killed many more times more people - particularly children than Hamas did - they've shut off food, water, and supplies, they've shut down movement, they've pushed them out of their homes, they've bombed hospitals and refugee camps.
  Who is the overwhelming military force that's killing all the innocent civilians here? But yeah - Hamas are escalating this.
  You want to defend Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the Nazis, Chinese expansionism, and the US war on terror while you're at it with the monstrous shit takes, my dude?
- Ignoring Hamas? You mean actively committing genocide and bombing infrastructure in Gaza made a freedom fighting army stronger? Yo that's crazy. You should tell people about the Jews that tried to resist Hitler. Must have been very violent terrorists according to your logic.
- what am I going to put in my pitas now?

This is the best summary I could come up with:

As Israel continues its fourth week of intense bombardment of the besieged Gaza strip, huge crowds of protesters have gathered to call for a ceasefire in Washington, D.C. as well as in other capital cities around the globe.

Israeli airstrikes have targeted hospitals, schools, refugee camps and ambulances, sparking outrage from the international community and warnings from rights groups that the strikes may constitute war crimes.

Israel maintains it does not target civilians and its attacks on the strip are intended to eradicate Hamas, the militant Islamist organization that governs Gaza and is considered a terrorist group by the US and EU among other countries.

While the Biden administration has consistently advocated for humanitarian pauses to facilitate getting fuel into the war-torn strip and getting civilians out, Secretary of State Antony Blinken remains opposed to a ceasefire, arguing that it would give Hamas time to regroup and launch another attack on Israel.

In recent weeks, she has roiled some of her colleagues determined to present a united front amid the Israel-Hamas war as divisions have grown more personal.

The video – which features images of protests with chants of “Free Palestine” and ‘From the river to the sea” across Michigan, California, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois and New York – ends with text that states: “Joe Biden supported the genocide of the Palestinian people,” “The American people won’t forget,” “Biden, support the ceasefire now,” and “Or don’t count on us in 2024.”

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I think he’s right in a more technical sense. You can’t have a cease-fire unless everyone stops firing. If someone isn’t going to stop firing, you can’t have a cease fire with them.
It takes two to cease fire, so to speak.
He explicitly said they need to stop bombing civilians several times. Read the fucking article dipshit.

Honestly this is the most coherent take Sanders has had on Israel this decade.

No, you probably can't. But you can, however, hold the moral high ground and offer one.

Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them
1937 - Peel commission, rejected
1947 - Partition resolution, rejected
2000 - Camp David, rejected
2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.
2008 - Olmert offer, rejected
Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103
Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected
1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.
1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.
1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.
1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected
1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.
1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.
1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.
1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).
1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).
1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.
2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.
2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.
2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.
2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.
2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.
Here is a list of peace offers ~~the Palestinians~~ the governing body of palestinians offered to Israel -
None
- That doesn't sound right. One of those was stopped by an assassination. One was stopped by conservatives gaining power in Israel. One was stopped by a war between Fatah and Hamas.
  The PLO offered peace in 2010, 2012, 2013, and 2014 and were stopped by Israel.
  Many were stopped because of a Hamas attack or Israel refusing to stop taking West Bank territory.
  It seems like you were saying that because Palestine didn't give in to Israel's demands every time that it's always their fault.
  This is from some quick research, though. Someone feel free to correct me.
But USA can't waste billions of taxpayer's money on this if they do so
This only leads to a North Korea situation where you end up in a cycle of appeasement, every time they make a threat or attack.
- Idk about you but the current situation doesn't look like appeasement to me.

Category section of Bernie's wikipage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

so, you know Bernie, fuck you.

If your reaction to something Bernie said or did is "fuck you", you should read more. He said that the bombings need to stop ASAP, then the whole world needs to help things progress to a two-state solution.
- “I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,
  This is pretty clear to me. this fallacy of saying "destroying the state of Israel", which is
  impossible - this a high-end military state
  this is Israel which is fucking destroying palestine, there is no more factual than this.
  hamas* or whatever you call it today is just "replying" to this fact
  As far as I know, this is not Israeli which get their water/food/electricity/movement/borders controlled, this is not Israeli under the bombs, this is not Israeli moving to the south...
  So Bernie... we can't even talk kind of chessmaster rhetoric ("ya know, he critics Israel behind"), this is pure cowardice if not dishonesty (by its affiliation)
  *cause of course, Isreal is creating generation of - legit - haters