Muslims disillusioned by Biden face difficult choice with Trump
Muslims disillusioned by Biden face difficult choice with Trump
Muslim voters disillusioned with President Biden’s position on Israel are facing the prospect of a difficult choice in 2024.
This is all media-manufactured crisis. Same as “Democrats are in deep trouble. Republicans will win in a landslide in 2022 elections”.
The choice every American is facing is:
OR
Any republican win will be the last fair election we will ever see in this country before turning into Russia-style elections farce. Take a look at what republicans are doing in Ohio and Virginia ahead of next week’s elections.
This is all media-manufactured crisis. Same as “Democrats are in deep trouble. Republicans will win in a landslide in 2022 elections”.
I agree with you in this case, but in all fairness, based on past cycles, Democrats were likely to be in trouble at that particular time. If not for the actions of grassroots orgs in individual states working really hard on shoestring budgets, the DNC would have totally flubbed it.
They stand upon the shoulders of those who really care and see the existential threat we face. If we can survive this, the DNC's days are numbered, too.
Lol, the guy who literally instituted the Muslim ban or the guy who actually talks about being concerned for Gaza Human Rights and just doesn't want to lose the Jewish vote. Golly, tough call 🙄
Muslims refusing to vote for Biden is like taking themselves hostage. You know if Trump gets elected he will try to deport them, inspire more hate crimes against them, and would be way worse for Palestinians.
Biden isn't the problem. The problem is that both parties support Israel.
Another problem with not voting is, in my eyes, the same as voting for your least preferred choice. Basically not voting is voting for the other guy.
The problem is the two-party system and that we don't have ranked choice voting. The DNC would rather a Republican win than to see an inspiring progressive win. People voted for Biden in 2020 because it was either him or Trump, but I believe a lot of people expected the DNC to take note and make changes to ensure their voices were heard. Instead, it seems like the DNC took that as a message that Biden is well liked and that they didn't even need another candidate. If Trump gets elected in 2024, it will be the DNC's fault and the DNC's fault alone. Don't go blaming the progressives, Muslims, or whoever else.
I understand and sympathize with their disappointment, but voting Republican would be even worse. The issue at hand is that both parties are pro-Israel.
It would be nice if the Democratic party wasn't simply the "less bad" choice for Muslims (and various POC) on some policies.
I think the loudest proPalestine voices are Democratic. That in and of itself offers at least some choice on the matter.
I understand and sympathize with their disappointment, but voting Republican would be even worse.
Check my post history. There are people who understand this and are perfectly OK with it. The logic behind it is truly baffling, but there are apparently a number of people willing to cut their own noses off to spite their face, and news reports back that up.
Why people think that Trump would be any better for the people of Gaza is beyond me, but people who think that way exist.
You mean the same Trump that wants to try again to institute a Muslim ban? Head of the party that wants to deport Palestinian people? The same guy that has 4 indictments and like 98 felony counts? We have a real constitutional crisis on our hands and if the GOP gets control again, they will NEVER relinquish it.
No they don't.
Muslim support for Trump went up from 2016 to 2020. Is it really crazy that it might go up again?
I have a gay family member that voted for Trump and will vote again, not even because of our domestic issues but because he has a hard stance about Israel and Palestine...
So... Offer yourself up for sacrifice so that people that you have no connection to might possibly maybe who knows could maybe be handled differently by a president who...(checks notes) doesn't give 2 shits about anything but money and himself...
I love my family, but man ignorance is really something...
Stupid can be any ethnicity. Trump always has some tokens that hang around.
Because turnp has had a stellar relationship with minorities in the past.
Remember the forced hysterectomies hosted at the southern border during his years?
I mean, there isn't much difference between neoconservative Christian nationalism and other theocratic states.
The guy who wants to send brown people "back where they came from" vs the old Guy that actually seems to like brown and black folks, I'm not really seeing where they would possibly be disillusioned, but hey, a lot of people seem to be terminally stupid, and most of those stupid people like to tell us who they are by their red MAGA hats and shitty bumper stickers.
It’s a two horse race and no one can say that voting Republican will help Palestinians. If people vote for a protest against Biden then their vote is lost and the Republicans have a win. The same if people decide that they won’t vote. It’s still a win for the Republicans.
I say that all the time. I don't know if enough are willing to hear it though
RFK is polling at 22%. Winning independents with 36%.
I don’t think we can really dismiss him yet.
LoL.... Biden, the guy who's supportive of pretty much all middle eastern countries that aren't maniacal death cults, or Trump who literally banned all Muslims from America.
Do y'all think Trump would deport them all to Gaza or to Geneva by mistake?
If anyone aside from white upper class males vote for trump, they're certifiably a moron.
People shouldn't vote for genocide. If your choice is between Hitler and Satan it's ok to not vote, or heaven forbid, support a third party.
Every election year I hear about this magical 3rd party that will save us from our shit choices. The only thing a third party would do is split democratic voters, leading to even more republican wins. Despite what left leaning media bubbles say, Republicans are not unhappy. They don't want a 3rd party for themselves and they will keep voting R until the grim reaper rips them from this plane of existence.
Abstention and 3rd party choices are indirect support for the candidate you'd least prefer.
Both choices might be a shit sandwich, but the US system just doesn't support not eating one, so it might as well be the one you'd rather than the alternative.
I'm sure the people whose lives are destroyed by Republican fuckery will appreciate your principled stance.
No, they don't. Being Muslim does not make a Person stupid. They can be stupid, certainly, but it isn't because they are Muslim that they must face their stupidity.
This article says that a higher percentage of Muslims voted for Trump in 2020 than did in 2016. Is it really far fetched to think that percentage could continue to rise?
And their stupidity had nothing to do with being Muslim. I can assure you that stupidity runs deep through much of the Human species.
It's because people see Trump as a chance to make America a theocracy... and well, both Christians and Muslims have traditionally been keen on theocracies for some reason.
From the article:
In a memo released Thursday, Biden campaign manager Julie Chávez Rodriguez said her team feels “well-prepared to defeat whoever emerges from the extreme MAGA Republicans’ primary field,” but “this will be a very close general election.”
Biden won 64 percent of the Muslim vote in 2020, and Trump won 35 percent, according to exit polling by The Associated Press.
New polling this week showed Biden’s support among Arab American voters plummeting to just 17 percent, down 42 percentage points compared to 2020. The Arab American Institute, which conducted the poll, said it marks the first time in 26 years of polling Arab Americans that the majority did not claim to prefer the Democratic Party.
Between this recurring news and the fact that it's being taken seriously it feels like team Biden is going to have to go further than an Islamophobia policy implementation. These numbers can likely lose him Michigan as it stands, and ignoring the Midwest has never worked out to a candidates (and all of our) detriment in the recent past. We need concise action to support these communities if we want to keep Michigan blue.
We need another candidate aside from Biden, even if it is to build momentum into the general election.
"Genocidal" vs. "extremely genocidal". Gotta love America.
Maybe the DNC should just run someone who isn't complicit in a genocide. Problem solved.
im sure they'll love the two right wing supreme court justices that are likely to come up in the next four years
Reading that made my skin crawl.
Yeah, super difficult. An imperfect candidate or a batshit crazy fascist. Whatever should we do, it's a real Sophie's choice.
A government that endorses killing their families or a government that endorses killing their families. Talk about a choice.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Yet the Republican candidate facing Biden at this stage seems likely to be former President Trump, who famously issued a travel ban on predominantly Muslim nations in his first days in office.
Ameerah Al-Zahrani, a Pittsburgh, Pa. voter who is Muslim, said she feels “extremely discouraged” about the 2024 election and is considering a vote for Cornel West, the Harvard professor and longtime critic of Israel who is challenging Biden from the left.
In a memo released Thursday, Biden campaign manager Julie Chávez Rodriguez said her team feels “well-prepared to defeat whoever emerges from the extreme MAGA Republicans’ primary field,” but “this will be a very close general election.”
Besides the Muslim travel ban policy, Trump also made the controversial move to relocate the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem and declare it Israel’s capital, which infuriated Arabs in the region.
Alawieh noted that on the ground in Michigan, the Republican party is working hard to attract Muslims who may align with the GOP on wedge social issues.
“But I think they have been putting a fair amount of work and in a moment like this, the president’s failure to call for a cease-fire that saves the lives of Palestinian children is exactly the kind of thing that has the potential to open the flood gates of people abandoning the long streak of supporting Democrats.”
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Rep. Cory Mills (R-FL) claimed that “paid actors” are pretending to be killed in the Israel-Hamas war.
Said Mills: “What the mainstream media is saying about the indiscriminate fire and the actors—I mean you literally have paid actors who are pretending to be killed, pretending to be treated.”
No, they're more like paid actors themselves.
People can't just begrudgingly keep voting for Democrats with policies they don't like. It's short sighted. Yes they could lose an election, at this rate they will anyway, but if we keep doing this then this cycle will just keep going over and over and over again. They need to see that supporting genocide will cost them elections.
If you want any chance for things to improve then you have to vote. Not voting or protest voting only helps the worst candidate.
Not really. Voting for shitty candidates condones their behaviour and sends a signal that they don't need to change.
Think long term. 20 years of the status quo is worse than 4 years of Trump. And before someone says it, no I'm not saying vote for Trump or that he's better than Biden.
No they don’t.
Same as everyone else, they can choose between a moderate and a fascist.
Everyone has issues they don’t want moderation on. That doesn’t mean they are stupid enough to back a person who explicitly says they want to ban them.
They can also just be less enthused and a few may not vote. They don't even need to decide not to vote - they can intend to, but with an additional logistical hurdle, it ceases to be something they do.
I'm not going to fight to vote if I think both candidates are happy to see me (and people like me) dead. And while Biden wrings his hands at the "jumanitarian" toll, it really looks like it's the political one that has his attention.
People will have legitimate feelings about that and we as Americans are not entitled to Muslims voting against Trump. Even if we desperately need it.
If we do desperately need it, we'll need to earn it.
I just think voting for someone who called for a full and complete ban on your religion entering the country absolves anyone of taking your position seriously in the future.
You say we as if “we” and Muslims are separate. We are all the same. We don’t have to earn Muslim votes. Our party needs to earn all of our votes. Just because they have a specific issue in world politics right now doesn’t make them any different than so many sub groups within the democrat party.
Nope. Like most things in the continued enshitification of life, the bleeding must be stopped before the wound may be closed. Voting for the lesser Evil is as required.
Every Election, no excuses.
The moderate in question being Genocide Joe? The bigger problem to me seems to be why the DNC is incapable of producing an actual viable candidate.
Edit: you can downvote to your hearts content, as long as you eventually come to the realization that we're headed nowhere nice regardless of how much we "vote blue no matter who". The GOP has made their position clear beyond a doubt. The DNC has followed that up by crippling Bernie for having hints of socialism to him when he actually had a good shot of winning, leading us to Trump. Biden was never wanted by anyone, even before this went down. He won solely on the basis of not being Trump, and is currently being hated for his own stances. And still we all know the DNC won't put up another candidate in 2024. Why? Are they not worried about Trump? Do they give a shit about the state of the country at all beyond maybe winning votes and securing donors? And even then the votes apparently matter less than the donors.
When you've got one party openly calling for fascism and the other party barely pulling the breaks on it, it doesn't take a lot to realize where you'll probably end up.
I keep seeing this nickname pop up but nobody seems to be able to tell me who Joe Biden has committed genocide against. The only Joe I know that’s committed genocide is Stalin.
You said it better than I could. I tried. Biden didn't win because people like him. If they can't put forward another inspiring candidate soon, then there is a good chance Trump will get re-elected. I don't think the DNC even cares as long as it isn't a progressive candidate. Then in 4 more years they can say, well if you don't vote for our candidate you'll get worse. Rinse & repeat.