Gaza death toll tops 5,000, nearly half of them children: Officials

Where are all those people wailing about Hamas being monsters for killing babies? This should make them even angrier and louder.

Now don't be silly, you're implying there is logic and reason to their arguments instead of just emotion.
I condemn both and I have written my representative that I wish my country had a more nuanced reaction to the current escalation. I wish we could sympathize with all civilians caught between two groups of murderous assholes.
- This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don't remove that responsibility from them by saying it's just civilian casualties.

Absolutely disgusting in every way. War is the product of infantile minds and sick abusive hearts. These kids did not deserve to die for the stupidity and perverse beliefs of the adults surrounding them. Shame on Israel for this murderous atrocity and shame on Hamas for engaging in warlike acts of child murder as well. NO ONE is above blame for this horrendous show of inhumane and despicable sickness.

1.67 "9/11"s worth of death, in retaliation for 0.47 "9/11"s worth of dead on Oct 7th.

Or, with 9/11= 2977 and the Iraq war killing 187,000 civilians, we get a ~63:1 misplaced retaliation vs. initial attack ratio. So the one could extrapolate from the 1400 dead on Oct 7th that 88,200 innocent people in Gaza will need to be killed to quench the IDF's rage.

Why not count the Afghans too? People keep forgetting that happened for some reason... Which is weird considering they were the first ones to be attacked in retaliation and Iraq wasn't an answer to 9/11...
- People absolutely saw Iraq as retaliation for 9/11 too. The bush admin repeatedly lied about Iraq having ties to Al Qaeda.
- People are ignoring the afghans are about to be openly genocided to the tune of 1.4 million by the Pakistani government.
  Too busy focusing on Israel.
You missed something in your math there. IDF is considering the October 7th attack as "10 time worse than 9/11" so up those numbers close to 900,000. Maybe make it 911,911 for the fun propaganda value. With more than half of the 2.2 million Gaza population (although maybe we should start counting the West Bank killings as it is ramping up, too) being children and seeing how Israeli government doesn't discriminate , maybe they can quench their bloodthrist with young blood alone, even.
- America has a population that is 35 larger than Israel. If America had lost the same percentage of their population as Israel did on Oct 7th, it would be ~49,420 dead, or the equivalence of 16 "9/11"s. That is why Biden said 10 times worse than 9/11.
  Iraq currently has a population of 43.5 million. 187k is 0.42% of it's population. If we do it by percent of population, Gaza has 2 million people, so the retaliation would kill "only" 8,600.
- It's baffling to me why this blood ratio is circulating so much in the news. Did the Las Vegas shooter kill the American equivalent of 1.8 Israelis?
- Israel has been governed by far right ultra-nationalist racists for decades now and Arabs are üntermensch in their eyes, especially Palestinians, hency why they have an Arab Israeli Citizenship separate from the Jewish Israeli Citizenship and with fewer rights and why they have very openly called them "human animals".
I remember protesting the Iraq war as a teen. What a fucking monster the U.S. has become.

Cryptofascists will cite dead children to justify slaughtering many times more children in retaliation, each and every time, because they see those that are killed in that retaliation as less than human.

What does this have to do with cryptography??
- I assume you're joking but just in case you're not (or for the sake of people reading this that didn't catch it) by crypto- as a prefix I mean deceptively veiled fascist ideology that pretends to be something else or justified in some ostensibly politically acceptable way.
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crypto-fascist
So will hexbears. They justify the slaughtering of ukrainian children with "america bad too"
- Nobody is justifying the killing of children here except Israel supporters.
- A Russian soldier who kills a child should be tried for war crimes. On June 1st, the UN said 525 children had been killed. The majority of those would have been killed by Ukrainian military, but it's okay if you think Russia bares the responsibility for those as well, since Russia did invade the country. Though it would be misleading to not mention that the children killed by Ukraine in the civil war 2014-2022 is also around 525.
  Russia invaded Feb 28, that's 600 ish days ago, so on average one child dies as a result of this war every day. In the last 17 days, Israel has killed 'nearly' 2500 children. That's 'nearly' 150 every single day. We're outraged by both, but Israel's slaughter needs to stop 150 times more urgently. Further, there is no argument, no security necessity, no motivation that can be attributed to Israel more convincing than pure hatred and a desire to steal land in order to explain why they are doing this. That means that the condemnation doesn't deserve nuance. It needs to stop. Israel is the villain.

If you live in USA or EU your government is ok with this

Since I live in the USA, actually we fund it to the tune of several billion a year and then some.
You think we like our governments?

Yeah killing innocent children isn't the solution to anything. Shameful shit that the Whitehouse supports this horror

The EU just confirmed that they are fine with this as well. Apparently they see no problem as long as Israel says they are trying to hit terrorists. Un-f*cking-believable!

bEiNg PrO-pAlEsTiNe Is MeAn To JeWiSh PeOpLe

The previous mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau, ended their status as sister city with Tel Aviv over the systematic crimes from the state of Israel against Palestinians. The immediate reaction of the Israeli embassy was denouncing her as antisemitic, both in the media and in courts, which recently found her innocent.
The position that denouncing Israeli crimes is antisemitic has been the official position of Israel for decades, and that's a very dangerous game for the well-being of Jews in a world where actual nazis are slowly gaining power, because once you're run the term down through the ground, calling actual hate crimes against Jews "antisemitic" will no longer have any meaning.
- So you are basically saying that Israel uses Jews as human shields against antisemitism.
- If people want to tie their religious identity to a nation state and call me antisemetic when I criticize that nation state -- the same as I criticize any other nation state -- they are in fact trivializing the experience of those who experience actual antisemitism.
  I'm sure they don't see it that way, but it's hard for me to see such an attitude as anything other than disrespectful of one's own history.
- The position that denouncing Israeli crimes is antisemitic has been the official position of Israel for decades,
  At this point, that's just a template answer, not different than the template answers China delivers everytime someone says something about the Uygur genocide, the Hong Kong occupation, or claims over Taiwan.

That’s antisemitism /s

Genocide by Zionist criminals.

- I'm German, it's so depressing that our nation's stance on this will always be: We stand 100% behind Israel.
  Discussions exist and it's being debated a lot on TV. People are pretty much appalled, with what Israel is doing.
  Anyone, that feels the least amount of compassion towards other people, is not ok with this. Disregarding religion, nationality, race or whatever community they belong to. There's no way to justify this, no way at all.
  Edit: 5000 dead and they haven't even sent in any troops yet.
  Let this shit sink in.
- Too late
- Israel humiliated Biden during Obama's term when Biden went to visit Israel and suggested in soft words that they don't expand illegal settlements. Israel basically said screw you in the press conference, and Biden took it like an obedient slave. Really showed the world who holds his leash.
- Tough cookies Jack, better vote for him again so he can invade Haiti in his second term.

oh my fucking god

This gut wrenching. Fuck those in power responsible for this.

Does the UN or some other more neutral org have numbers? I mean, the Gaza Ministry of Health kinda has incentive to exaggerate civilian casualties, just like the IDF has incentive to say "everyone in that playground we hit with that airstrike was an Islamic Jihad Terrorist".

While I definitely kind of agree with the sentiment. Just statistically. It would be hard for this to not be true. The numbers overall might be a little different. But considering the average person in Palestine is 18 to 19 years old. Age groups over that rapidly dwindling. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that at least half, if not more, would be children.
- Oh, I don't doubt the Israelis are killing a crapload of children. I just would rather see the exact numbers from a more neutral party.
it is such a weird angle to take, since the Gaza concentration camp is shut off from the rest of the world, without power. Journalists are not allowed in, neither are any and all humanitarian organizations.
Until the apartheid state open up the Gaza concentration camp, we will just have to take their word for it.
When Israel makes any claims, the outside world can in one way or another visit, inspect and verify.
If Israel wants more certainty on statistics of innocent dead people, they should end their siege.
The WHO released some concerning numbers.
I know Lemmists here don't trust anything from WHO but that's all I got.
You're absolutely right that there will be variance, and that each side has incentive to inflate death counts, etc. Other orgs will likely not produce their own numbers until after this mess is over. Check the Wiki pages or B'Tselem pages on previous assaults on Gaza to see how the numbers can vary, that'll give you an idea at least.

Humans once again going batshit crazy with mass murder riding on a wave of vengeance. It's a disease with no cure.

Our tax dollars and tax euros at work.

Shit like this is no small part of why I'd sooner serve crack that serve in the military. And there's not a single drop of sarcasm in that statement.
Yep, on both sides. Hamas should be defunded.

Get the fuck outta here you terrorist apologist fucking scumbag. PALESTINIANS have the right to self defense, but Hamas is a terrorist group that murders civilians. They can all burn in hell with Isreal's leaders.
- Israel is using terrorist means. This time we are the terrorists
- No personal attacks please.
- Don't be such a cry baby

I’m honestly just so depressed.

Think of what Palestinians are going through if you feel this way. I had to stop looking at the corpses and small children being torn apart. But I don't regret it, it only made my resolve stronger to counter the lies.
Me too.
I'm both sad and very angry about the situation, nothing news worthy so far makes me feel so powerless.

It is all and well within the limit of a "proportionate" response exercising the "right of selfdefence"! Wondering who decides where the limit goes.

Work towards a bEtTer future I see..

I'd be careful with using these numbers as they are difficult to verify and often come from Hamas themselves. That is not to dismiss lives lost but raise awareness about committing to accurate information.

- Here's the problem. In making your point you can't help yourself but make assumptions about my beliefs and stances. You should always be careful about your information sources no matter the topic at hand.

Ah, only Hamas has an agenda huh. IDF doesn't have an agenda, Netanyahu doesn't have an agenda, the US government and associated media organizations don't have an agenda...only Hamas has the agenda huh.
- Well yea, it's only propaganda when the people I don't like do it. Just because what I believe and what I question lines up perfectly with
  doesn't mean anything!
Gaza’s population is near 40 % children (people under 18). Israel has lobbed thousands of bombs at an urban area with population density comparable to New York. What part of this do you find hard to believe?
- Gaza's nearly 50% people under 18 actually. The 40% number is for people under 15
An agenda of informing the world of how Palestinians are facing a century long and on-going genocide
- Centuries long? You're mixing them up with Jewish people?
Do you think this is outside of the expected number of deaths at this point?
Israel usually kills 10-20 Palestinians for every Israeli killed, so we can expect about 15-30k total Palestinian deaths from this, most of whom will be civilians.
I expect the number of deaths per day is going to ramp up once the hospitals and food centers run out of resources.
- My estimation predicted 88k, with a 63:1 ratio.
I mean, we know they shoot thousand of missiles into Gaza so yes a lot of people die. And given there's a lot of kids. Kids die too.
- Which is why war is the ultimate atrocity that humans can commit. Worse than child abuse, worse than rape - war is the result of sick minds corrupted beyond any hope of redemption.
Throw yourself into a hole
The average age in Gaza is like 18. Of course about half of the deaths are going to be children
- Something like 54% of the Gaza population is under 24.
I mean you're right of course, buy even if they'd doubled the number... would 2500 deaths be ok?
- Nope. None of this is acceptable. At the same time, I don't like people just passing on figures from Hamas that are questionable at best. Facts matter.
Which organization has the resources to send someone to check, that doesn't have an agenda?
I recognize that you're not explicitly defending Israel; you're merely criticizing one institution that operates under Hamas rule.
- In Gaza?
  I'm fairly confident that the Palestinian Authority has no real control of anything in Gaza. Fatah and Hamas literally had a minor civil war over the issue in 2006 and 2007.

You won't hold the media you are invested in accountable for the manufacturing of consent for this, because they're the same ones that feed you your 'orange man bad' content. You'll give them a pass.

So, so tired of that rhetoric. Trump is a POS, I don't need 'orange man' content to know that. He's definitely on the top ten worst presidents list. You automatically qualify for that list when you foment an insurrection.
- the rhetoric that makes you accountable for supporting media companies that manufacture consent for illegal wars. lie, and spread propaganda. yea i bet you are so tired of it.

Can't 17 year olds join the US Army?
- And 16 year olds the british army: https://jobs.army.mod.uk/how-to-join/can-i-apply/age/#

Noo half are children their lives matter more click our article pls

- Give them a gold star why don't ya