California governor Newsom vetoes bill to make free condoms available for high school students, citing cost
California governor vetoes bill to make free condoms available for high school students, citing cost
If you think fronting the cost of condoms for teenagers is expensive, wait till you see how much it costs the state to provide services for a single teen mother
Or how about we don't provide services for people who make obvious mistakes. I'd rather keep my tax money than it go to them
Weird way to say "I'm a selfish piece of shit who thinks others should suffer because I think I am superior"
Yeah, I'm sure this will create a wonderful society with no problems at all
Even if we pandered to your every preference, I doubt it would satiate the greed of someone who'd rather see children punished than contribute fractions of a penny to prevent it.
So why make society worse if it won't even make you better?
That "obvious mistake" is made every day by teens, some not even old enough to drive. I'm sure letting them fend for themselves is the best way to instill responsibility and not a recipe for child neglect or abandonment, but not like that's a recipe for a future criminal or junkie.
/s
I’d rather keep my tax money than it go to them
Ahh, the classic 'we shouldn't reward bad behavior' line that completely ignores that treating tax money like Santa Candy (to be withheld from the bad little boys and girls) just costs everybody more tax dollars when it means foregoing spending on preventive measures that help avoid expensive problems.
It's not rewarding teen pregnancy, it's preventing it
Also,
I’d rather keep my tax money
You don't get to keep it either way.
Where are all these kids breaking into my hous and stealing my bread come from?
Go back the middle ages
Oh man there is so much to unpack there its hard to tell it you're just trolling or absolutely oblivious to what teenagers are like. There are libraries worth of papers and studies showing how that line of thinking is the first step down a steep and slippery slope that turns the USA into Afghanistan as far as society and quality of life.
That would be 100% of all people who have ever lived, are alive today, and in the future.
Do you seriously believe there are people who haven’t made mistakes?!
The whole purpose of society is that we’re stronger together. If you disagree, that’s your prerogative, and if you want to go off the grid and back to a hunter-gatherer everyone-for-themselves lifestyle, you’re welcome to it.
Most of us don’t want that because it was objectively terrible compared to civilisation. We wouldn’t have modern technology or any of the things we take for granted without societal cooperation. You wouldn’t have a computer or internet to complain about the society you enjoy the benefits of.
That’s a pretty myopic take, honestly.
As a childless vegan, fuck you pay me
We had condoms in our school washrooms in the late 90s in Canada. Pads in the ladies room as well. At a broke ass public school that had out of date text books.
America really is a weird fucked up religiously warped place.
Yes and these vetos have nothing to do with cost and everything to do with Newsom positioning to be president.
He doesn't want to generate talking points for the right wingnut propaganda machine.
Vetos on progressive therapeutics, caste discrimination, etc.
Then there's kissing up to the big donor utilities to appoint a CPUC to hobble solar.
It really sucks because he could do good but nope.
The amount of bills he veto in last weeks makes me ask is this mother fucker a Republican or Democrat? He sure is veto bills he should be signing. If I was a Californian I be looking for his replacement and primary his sorry ass.
The amount of bills he veto in last weeks makes me ask is this mother fucker a Republican or Democrat?
Forgot the third option, preparing the run for President.
You know what's so much more expensive? Teenagers having babies. That shit is expensive for everyone. Having a child's life ruined and forced to raise a child into another ill prepared adult. Costs society lots of money.
I mean yeah but Cali is an abortion rights state so those factors are less present in the decision than they would be elsewhere
Abortions don’t just fall out of the sky. First trimester abortions are in the 300-900 range, and second trimester round about 1k-2k. Just comparing the raw cost of the procedure and omitting opportunity costs from recovery time and additional cost from complications, rubbers are real cheap.
You mean a women's rights state? A state where women have rights over their bodies?
Not getting pregnant is the best scenario for those that aren't ready for children. Despite easy access to abortion services some may feel guilt about ending a pregnancy early and have the child because it's the "right thing to do" even though it may lead to a terrible quality of life for mother and child.
I think the point here is to prevent abortions. Nobody wants to have an abortion.
Just FYI: most family planning centers, like Planned Parenthood, hospitals and birthing clinics already give out free condoms to anyone who asks. That's where I was getting mine when I was a teenager.
They give you bags stuffed to the brim!!!! It looks like the picture lol. Nobody there wants unwanted pregnancies.
When I was in high school, the local planned parenthood gave them to the schools to be available, but you had to ask the nurse or the health teacher.
Then I got magnums some time later and it was a lot more enjoyable.
"Whoops. I dropped my monster condom that I use for my magnum dong!"
Tried to put one on one night for sexy times and it hurt.
So if you have a pp with bigger girth
So even when you win the lottery, there's a price to be paid.
You know that you can stretch a normal sized condom over your arm.
There was a chart here posted a few days ago that listed countries by happiness. I think Norway and some other countries that are not considered capitalist were near the top. Even with those countries, something like 20-25% were still not happy. That is a large percent. Imagine if the world put just 10% of the effort going into profiting of of AI into figuring out what makes humans happy and implementing it.
You'll find pretty much all of the Scandinavian countries up there. Technically Social Capitalist kinda stuff. The problem is the population disparity, income disparity, and number of social services between them and the US. Canada is much the same though pretty far on the Capitalism side of things.
Norway is mixed market capitalist, like most developed countries. They do have a strong welfare system, though. I'd imagine it's similar in the other countries in the list you mention too, but I'd have to see what they are.
A socialist system would also feature government officials vetoing spending on the basis of cost. If you think about it, there would be even more such instances, since a socialist government has a larger say on economic questions.
Economic systems are aimed at resolving the question of how to allocate scarce resources. Switching from "capitalist" to "socialist" does not make the allocation problem go away. It only changes who makes the decisions.
And the results of those decisions would probably not be what you seem to be expecting. Real world experience shows that socialist countries tend to allocate more resources to things like heavy industry, and fewer resources to consumer goods like, say, condoms for students.
A socialist system would also feature government officials vetoing spending on the basis of cost. If you think about it, there would be even more such instances, since a socialist government has a larger say on economic questions.
Not necessarily, allow me to give a different perspective. Market socialists usually argue in favour of socialised organisations like cooperatives and unions having more power. Socialism doesn't necessarily equal an all powerful control economy, you can marketise elements in a humane way. In Sweden, for example, the unions handle unemployment benefits through what's known as a Ghent system[1]. In Norway, 20% of housing is democratically owned through housing coops that were originally funded by the government (but that stopped a few decades ago) and it's still growing faster than the population itself is, so given enough time Norway will eventually be all democratically owned housing. In Finland, something like 90%+ of the population is a member in democratically owned grocery shops (consumer coops), where anyone can stand in elections for managerial positions - yes, you can literally be democratically elected a manager in a coop shop.
Also, anecdotally, when I went to high school in Norway I was offered free condoms. This is also the case in Sweden and Finland, now that I look it up.
Shrug. Beats capitalism.
In CA we need such a party to run in deep blue seats.where they can easily get more votes than the Republicans
We have a voteable communist party in my country, it's never going to get elected. People are either dumb as bricks or corrupt, and so is the system. The whole system is hopeless, I don't think we'll ever see real change without seeing violence first.
Condoms are a hell of a lot cheaper than children
As much as I'm certain this is not the case I still can't help but be self amused with the mental image of an exasperated Gavin Newsom coming out of an extensive review of data on just how much Californian highschool students do be going at it, and immediately declaring "nope, can't afford to rubber all that."
I like the cut of your jib.
"We want progressives!"
"You have progressives at home."
The progressive at home:
Newsom is starting to come around to running things a bit more like his predecessor. Brown was liberal, but Brown was famous for saying no to spending in order to preserve rainy day funds. And CA voters have always loved a governor who was socially liberal but fiscally conservative.
Newsom is trying to tighten the belt again. A pandemic, more fires, more floods, and more drought has meant that CA has been, and will need to, spend a lot on some pretty major things.
Judging from a number of posts here, does that guy have "Veto Week" or what?
I think he receives the bills to sign/veto in batches.
They also time things to overlap outrage and pushback. What was the last thing we were mad about? Right, the veto on the bill aimed at caste discrimination. Well now we're madder about the condoms, and we don't have the bandwidth to complain about two things at once.
Probably uses his ass like a stamp whenever he vetoes anything as well
He has an October 14th deadline.
https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/10/gavin-newsom-veto-bills/
I mean I do agree with the fact that the bill doesn't provide funding for the condoms just that the schools need to provide it. That sounds pretty dumb to me.
I mean but is there explicit funding for providing toilet paper?
I do think schools are under funded but that's a lousy reason imo
I don't have a strong opinion either way, but it does kind of make sense that loading an unfunded mandate on already under-funded public schools isn't the best way to come at this problem.
You mean? Or you say? What's the difference?
It's an American English thing. Sometimes to make a statement sound less intense, people start by saying "I mean." It's probably regional, but I'm not sure where people do and don't say it.
"mean" refers to "meaning", as in the definition, or understanding.
It is similar in use to ie, (id est, or that is). An explanation.
"Say" makes no sense in this context. Say is stating something, but he isn't stating, he is explaining.
Because babies and STDs are free.
How many of those kids will end up in foster care? How many will put their parents onto welfare rolel? How many will we need to send to college?
It's hard to tell kids that condoms are cheaper than kids when the government won't do the same.
Didn't Colorado do this and teen pregnancy rates nosedived?
Edit: I couldn't find any news of Colorado doing this. Apologize for the misinformation.
It was not condoms, here is the study you were most likely thinking about.
Thank you, kind lemming.
I’m pretty sure he knows more about it than you.
Giving them welfare just encourages this behavior, removes the consequences from their actions by shoving the cost onto the taxpayers.
We are paying money from the work we do, to pay for someone else's mistakes
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Gavin Newsom rejected a bill on Sunday that would have made free condoms available all public high school students, arguing it was too expensive for a state with a budget deficit of more than $30 billion.
The bill is one of hundreds passed by California’s Democratic-dominated state Legislature before lawmakers adjourned last month.
Newsom has been signing and vetoing legislation since then, including rejecting bills on Saturday to ban caste-based discrimination, limit the price of insulin and decriminalize possession and use of some hallucinogens.
State Sen. Caroline Menjivar, a Democrat from Los Angeles and the author of the bill, had argued the bill would have helped “youth who decide to become sexually active to protect themselves and their partners from (sexually transmitted infections), while also removing barriers that potentially shame them and lead to unsafe sex.”
Newsom said programs increasing access to condoms are “important to supporting improved adolescent sexual health.” But he said this bill was one of several measures lawmakers passed this year that, when added together, would add $19 billion in costs to the state budget.
“With our state facing continuing economic risk and revenue uncertainty, it is important to remain disciplined when considering bills with significant fiscal implications, such as this measure,” Newsom said.
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Fuck you, buddy. This isn't the get-out-of-jail-free card that you think it is. Let's have more teen mothers with unwanted babies and see how that turns out. /s
Maybe California's strict emissions requirements include nocturnal emissions.
I want to know what he is a approving
Just par for the course at this point with Newsom. Still disappointing!
Why is he suddenly vetoing all these bills at once?
Poor students can't even afford a condom
Since when is this the taxpayers problem? The government has no business holding peoples hands through life. They can buy their own
The issue isn't simply buying condoms. If that were the case, the bill would be to give away condoms anywhere they are sold (which would be vetoed as well). The issue is that, for high school kids, they often don't feel comfortable going out to buy condoms. It's still seen as something to be ashamed of. So when they get into a situation where they need one, it's not available which can lead to obvious complications.
Providing free condoms at high schools gives the kids a guilt-free, anonymous way to protect themselves when they eventually have sex, which is going to happen regardless of what adults say.
Because society has a vested interest in reducing teenage pregnancy.
What is up with Newsome vetoing all this shit suddenly?
Presumably getting ready to launch his own presidential bid, so he needs to court the center by appearing more moderate.
Or the opposing side trying to make him look bad. California still sets the standards for a lot of rules that we'd be better off with the rest of the country copying.
This never actually works. The Democratic party is a center eight party that only looks left.because the oteht major party are fucking crazy terrorists
The CA legislature passed a buttload of bills right before adjourning, so he's working his way through them now. Plus, CA has a budget deficit, so stuff that costs money has to be more carefully considered - free condoms are a worthwhile thing, but then the question becomes what do you cut instead? It's not always an easy question.
How much do they actually expect these to cost? How about they cancel fireworks at the next sports event. That'd probably cover it
How much would prohibiting caste discrimination or decriminalizing psilocybin increase the deficit?