Technically it's always the first in China until they get removed from the movie
Technically it's always the first in China until they get removed from the movie
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Literally the only thing I know about this movie is that the main character is gay, Disney really tried to make that a selling point.
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He’s not even the main character, he’s a sidekick and not even the most prominent of the sidekicks really. (Despite the fact that he appears first in many character lists for the movie, the protagonist is Searcher)
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Naturally, because if it was like Nimona, then the character can't be edited out for regressive countries
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Idk you're really underselling Ethan's role in the story. If anything him being gay is such a side plot it doesn't even matter. But I wouldn't say he is a "sidekick" lol
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This post is the first time I've heard of the movie.
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Apparently we're not missing much.
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Which is a shame, since this movie is really good and the message is great.
It's a solarpunk-y movie about the dangers of fossil fuel and living with your environment.
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Disney claiming to be inclusive and still managing an incredible amount of gender stereotyping
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They want both the queer dollars and the conservative family values dollars. They produce what they believe will be the most marketable to the most people.
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Now now we can't make the boomers feel left out, there has to be something for ol' pops to laugh about and explain at the retirement home lunch.
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Would anyone like to run a statistical analysis of the number of gay characters that have been present in Disney movies, or really movies in general?
They’re forcing gay characters on us! Help I’m being oppressed! Chill the Fuck out and watch literally 99 percent of all movies that have ever been made if you’re worried about being underrepresented.
Let’s sit down and watch all of the movies that feature a white savior ‘knowing what’s best’ for poor and minority characters. Look at their unbridled altruism! They don’t have to associate with those pesky poors but they choose to do it on account of their saintliness! Get the fuck outta here.
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According to out.com there are 17 and most of them have the representation of either it being a backhanded reference to them being queer or being on screen for all of 3 seconds. Oh lawd jesus. So oppressive.
Just a bunch of whiny people who are so incredibly insecure with their own sexuality that they think someone else could turn them gay. Probably because they spend more time than they want to admit fantasizing about sucking cock.
Sorry. As a gay dude I am just so phenomenally tired of hearing the most represented group on the planet whine about being "under-represented" or having to be "forced to watch gay people, THINK OF THE KIDS" when shit like Boss Baby is created where you have a literal infant lusting over women.
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Just do a deep dive on all the super Fucking uncomfortable 80s and 90s tv shows and movies where it’s totally acceptable for an adult to have a sexual encounter with a child. It’s sold as a gag or the adult ‘ struggles with their urges’ or whatever. Totally normal, haha funny.
Imagine if there were a movie like Leon the professional that featured a gay man or a transgender person. The world would lose its mind and string up the director for child abuse.
I’m in full support of lgbt characters that are ‘normalized’ and treated like everyone else. It’s such a non issue it’s crazy to me that it’s even a concern in anyone’s mind.
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I don't get it either. My brother-in-law is like this. And he refused to take his kids to see Buzz Lightyear because of its "political" nature. I was a dumbfounded when I heard that. To think that representation is just some nebulous political aim.
At this rate, we should just consider any media with a kiss in it "political media."
And I even grew up with this dude in the early 2000s. He didn't seem like this before.
I try to forget about the guy, but it's kind of hard because he won't let me see the nieces because I'm too "liberal".
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“iTs JuSt So FoRcEd”
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China has gay people in movies. Where do you people even get these dumb ideas from
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Where do you people even get these dumb ideas from
B-but the goverment of the USA told me that China is evil!
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-20 social credit
Edit: damn some of y'all need a hug
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+20 US credit score. Congrats, you now qualify for an exploitive student loan that you won't ever be able to repay!
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absolutely innovative and pioneering humor. A stroke of genius. One of the most unique and original jokes I've heard in ages. You are truly a visionary.
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This is stupid even in the world of social credit score jokes that were fresh a decade ago. Praising China (here, just saying something accurate) would increase your credit score, you dolt.
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Good bot
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-600 FICO score no home for you
Now guess which one is more real
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How did you post with the great firewall? That’s illegal.
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Reality.
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Reality.bourgeois hegemony
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"We, the enlightened and human rights respecting West, did an about face on LGBT people having rights about 10 years ago after many centuries of violent persecution and suppression.
Now you, the country who's main ethnic group derives it's demonym from a dynast of bisexual emperors, and which has never had large scale and systematic persecution or suppression of gay people, must depict gay people in media exactly as we do.
If you do not, we will call you barbarians."
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Can gay people get married in China?
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Can gay people exist in America without their sexual identities being the subject of endless culture war bullshit?
I'm all for China legalizing gay marriage and full protections for LGBT people. That process requires Chinese society to have its own conversation, which is what's happening right now. Copy pasting American culture war bullshit verbatim isn't going to do gay people any good, and a gay character in a kids movie certainly isn't going to do jack shit.
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Nope! And thats bad. But marriage equality is not the only measure of queer rights. Queer people in China are largely left alone and not hate crimed and speaking as a queer I'd rather get to be alive than get married.
China absolutely needs to work on its legal rights for queer people. I'm not saying otherwise. But you are still looking at the issue through a very western lense, and a hypocritical one considering how recently queer rights have even been begun to be accepted in the west. And how fast we are moving backwards on them in America especially. And how bad issues like homeless queer youth still are.
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Can a gay kid who is kicked out of their home find housing in the US?
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why is inclusion in an often patriarchal/misogynistic and conservative institution as marriage the end-all-be-all of queer rights? this is such an annoying talking point from liberals. i have heard american conservatives going on national stages and calling for the complete genocide of trans people, but i have not heard of anything like that from chinese politicians.
china has a long road ahead in terms of queer rights, but compared to queer rights (and "rights" like the right to get married, right to die in an imperialist war, etc) backsliding in the west, there's a pretty big difference.
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Go back to hexbear, tanky. Nobody likes you.
Literally the only thing tankies can say about the atrocities their beloved authoritarian dictators commit is “but amerikah”. Fuck off with your bullshit.
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Hexbear needs to be defederated from every instance
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As soon as we have the ability to block entire instances, they'll be effectively silenced. I can't wait!
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This post is about a movie from a year ago. Was the whole point to do some kind of weird roundabout "China bad" post?
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Went from a valid criticism of rainbow capitalism to straight up sinophobia immediatly.
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No need for that. China is bad. Everyone with a brain knows their genocides and suppression of their people is bad.
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There are LGBTQ movies from China so this makes no sense. One of my favorites is Lan Yu (藍宇) from 2001. Most of the characters are gay men and the plot is even critical of how the army handled the 1989 Tiananmen Square incident.
Did y'all learn about what China is like from Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoons or what
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Since this work contained positive depictions of gay men, explicit (by Chinese standards) gay sex scenes, and resurrected the ghost of Tiananmen Square, at the time, no mainland Chinese publisher would have published it, nor would the author be safe from government reprisals. Hence, its anonymous publication on the Internet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lan_Yu_(film)
Ah, such a free and progressive society!
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Nothing would ever satisfy you people lmao
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so much better than america, where it just wouldn't be made in the first place
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Well you see wikipedia.org is actauly against china and its all fake made up by americans. /s
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Wikipedia article speculation cited as fact on lemmy dot net.
Western propaganda is a series of clowns honking each other's noses all the way down.
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The wiki explains that most of the crew from this movie is from mainland China, however it was made by a Hong Kong director and was filmed without permission from the government.
It explicitly states
at the time, no mainland Chinese publisher would have published it, nor would the author be safe from government reprisals. Hence, its anonymous publication on the Internet.
The film did had a brief showing run in December 2001, at Peking University, where interest by Chinese citizens was quite high, selling out the showings.
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There's literally a law banning same sex relationships from being shown on tv and in cinemas, what the fuck are you talking about??
Also Tienanmen square wasn't "an incident". It was a massacre.
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Americans call the Boston massacre and only 6 people died, just saying that on the level of supposedly horrific state violence that should never be forgotten, so you have any idea how many massacres of the same and larger scale the United States has perpetrated just in the last 30 years?
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I mean yeah I wish representation were better. Too many regional representatives are boomers stuck in the past. I was in Shenzhen in 2019 though and met a bunch of cool queer folks though.
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What? I was just watching a show the other day with a trans hostess on Chinese national TV. Her name is Jin Xing and she's very well known and her show draws 100 million viewers regularly
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It was a massacre.
I suppose those police officers just set themselves on fire then?
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Dude looks like Mario shaved off his stache and put on a rastafari wig
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Yeah if Mario was Sicilian
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Bruh its an animation style. Its like calling a table and a chair the same thing because you bought them both from ikea so they both have that middle-class swedish furniture style.
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The Mitchells vs the machines did it best. It was a great and entertaining story and I loved all the characters. Perhaps Disney should just make a story that's worth telling?
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What other open gay characters have been in Disney movies?
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I feel like part of this is that so many of the "openly gay characters" have been either not so open, extremely in the background, or even debatably gay that each new threshold feels like a "victory" or something.
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Don't forget characters that painted gay people in a bad light
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Didn’t buzz lightyear and onward (the Chris Pratt Pixar movie) have gay background characters?
Star Wars had a gay background character. That’s all I can think of.
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https://www.out.com/film/2022/3/22/disneys-first-out-lgbtq-gay-characters#rebelltitem13
I thought seven was blowing it out of proportion so I looked it up, and I think I was wrong in my initial thought.
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There's a bit in Frozen where some bloke they meet introduces his family and it's another fella and their kids.
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Sleepy was gay
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All I remember from this movie is the fanboys bitching about Disney only doing remakes and not releasing anything original, then they finally release something original and it gets review bombed for having a gay character
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I didn't care the character was gay. It just felt like it was heavy handed to point out he was gay. His relationship, and by extension his sexuality, had no impact on the story. Why even bring it up?
His sexuality and his relationship felt like it was shoe horned into the script so Disney could say they had a gay character.
Also. The movie was forgettable and kind of crap.
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Honestly it's just not as good as it could be. Even my kids don't really like it that much.
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If shows count then owl house is a shining example
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I need to rewatch it soon. One of the best animated series of the modern times, right next to Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Dead End, Close Enough, Amphibia, BoJack, Infinity Train, Kipo, Vox Machina, Smiling Friends and YOLO.
What a time to be alive... When I was a kiddo, the best stuff came from Japan, and now the Americans are really nailing it.
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Man, I was dubious of that show originally. It had this weird hype about it that usually ends up with the hyped thing not being enjoyable for me.
But my kid liked it. And I was enforcing exercise as a mandatory part of the day. With the adhd involved, it was either allow tv during exercise and deal with delays when they got sucked in, or deal with delays when we'd "disagree" on how much of a given exercise had actually been done.
So, we worked out that we'd share shows during exercise. One of the very first was owl house. Again, I was dubious as hell. But I started looking forward to it. By the time the final episode was available, I was hooked too. I cried like a damn baby right beside my kid during that.
That show just works. The writing manages to thread a path that's serious enough to give weight to it rather than being cartoony, without abandoning a bit of joy and humor to do so.
It's pretty much the best animated show I've seen since samurai jack. Totally different, but I find that it is as good.
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What are the other movies?
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- Finding Dory: Has a lesbian couple on screen for 3 seconds. Was an ENORMOUS deal at the time. Disney marketed it.
- Beauty and the Beast (2017 Live Action): Disney specifically marketed how Josh Gads character was their first gay character. They also marketed an "exclusive gay moment". That moment was him dancing with another man in a group scene for like 2 seconds.
- Thor Ragnarok: Wasn't announced until Love and Thunder but Valkyrie is bisexual.
- Avengers Endgame: Also touted as a "big moment" and the first gay character in the MCU. During the opening grief counseling session that Cap America runs, one dude is talking about how he went on a date with another man. Here's there for a maximum of 20 seconds.
- Toy Story 4: You can see a lesbian couple for like 1-3 seconds.
- Rise of Skywalker: Also touted as a huge moment for Star Wars, Disney started talking about how it was the first lesbian couple. At the end of the movie there's a 1 second shot of two women kissing. Disney marketed it as first on screen same sex kiss.
- **Onward:**The cyclops cop is a lesbian. There's a single line where she says her girlfriend's daughter did something.
- Jungle Cruise: Disney said that Jack MacGregor was their first "major gay character". There is a single line in the film hinting towards his sexuality. Dwayne Johnsons character asks why he never got married and Jack says "my interests lie elsewhere". That's it. Apparently that counts for being gay.
- Eternals: Disney touted that one as being the 'First Gay Superhero'. He's not a major character or anything but you do see a scene with him and his husband/son.
- Cruella: Also marketed by Disney as being their 'first major gay character' despite them claiming that twice for Beauty and the Beast and for Jungle Cruise. In this movie, the gay character is the hyper flamboyant, fashion loving villain.
- High School Musical The Series: A Disney+ show. They marketed that one for the 'First Gay Disney Love Song'.
- Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: America Chavez is a lesbian and the movie was marketed for having the 'First Gay Superhero', apparently ignoring Eternals from previously.
- Lightyear: 'First Pixar Same-sex Kiss in a Pixar movie' was claimed for this one. However it was only put back into the movie after news broke that Disney was donating to anti-gay politicians and that they constantly cut LGBTQ content behind the scenes they stuck this scene in. Then it came out that this scene too was originally cut. Shocker.
- Ms. Marvel: Another Disney+ show. They have a same-sex teenage lesbian couple.
- Strange World: The thing in the meme. First Gay Teenage character.
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ABC is owned by Disney. ABC owns Scrubs. Therefore the first gay love song from Disney is “Guy Love” sung by JD and Turk and I will die on this hill.
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The characters being ancillary and easily edited out/cut is by design so they can still use the movies in foreign markets that are hostile to lgbt rights
If the gay character is only identified as gay in one scene where they say “I’m gay” or kiss for 10 seconds you can just cut that part out and still screen it in Saudi Arabia. Disney doesn’t actually give a shit about lgbt issues, they give a shit about what will sell
Thus a prominent main character who is gay or a movie about a character coming to terms with queer identity is far less likely because that basically means they instantly lose out on much of the lucrative international market
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At the end of the movie there’s a 1 second shot of two women kissing.
LOL. First I heard of this. I must've blinked and missed it.
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sigh
Mission hill, a show you've likely never heard of, back in 1999 had two characters named Gus and Wally. They were the upstairs neighboors of the main cast though Gus and Wally did have their own episode (the show only ran for 1 season and had 13 episodes) as well as having some side plots in other episodes. Now the very first scene they're in they are making out.
Let me repeat that, back in fucking 1999 there was an openly gay couple in an animated show who were functionally main characters. They weren't the perfect couple, they acted like your old married coupke, but the show never once made them being gay a joke, a bad thing, or anything of the sort. They were treated respectfully as flawed humans who loved each other for the show's entire run.
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Wow thanks didn’t think there was that many “first gay characters” 😂
I forgot about 1 though I remember hearing about that.
Seems like Disney can’t make up their minds and are trying to make the “perfect” gay character.
They should just do this:
“This is the first gay character”
“This is the first gay character V2”
“This is the first gay character V3”
Etc
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I saw some of these movies but the only one that actually contains a somewhat important gay character thats actually gay is eternals.
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Holy fuck that is pathetic. Not quite as pathetic as the people crying about "forced diversity" tho.
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In onwards there is a police woman/ogre who talks about her girlfriend. I have heard there is queer representation in the movie luca but I did not watch it
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Looking back at the list of Disney movies... there actually were none. Unless you count Cuzco.
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Well definitely limiting if you go specifically gay teen.
But they made a somewhat big deal about having a Gay Ellen DeGeneres, in finding Dory but didn't specifically push that the character was gonna show gay representation.
But man they really pushed the narrative that they would have an openly gay character in the live action Beauty & the Best movie which ended up being a 15 seconds site gag about cross dressing and dancing... so that was dumb.
Then they bragged about having gay representation in an Avengers movie which ended up being an unnamed character saying he dated a guy once in a blink and you miss it sad scene at the top of the movie... and Marvel is Disney.
Then I remember them bragging about gay representation in Onward but I actually don't remember there being any like at all. Seriously, they talked about how they would include representing everyone and then the movie was a mess of just fairytale knockoff representation everywhere and I can point out practically no specifics.
Let's see then they made a bunch of live action stuff that actually had real gay representation but eternals sucked and cruella it's definitely just a side character but hey whatever.
Then they bragged about light-year I think which I didn't watch so who knows how good that was.
And that brings us to "the first openly gay character" which was the only advertising point for this movie I saw after a fantastic trailer giving such a great 1930s vibe and nothing else.
So yeah I guess that's practically none of you consider how pathetic the early attempts were nothing.
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And if you ignore a bunch of the other movies, too.
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Funfact to tell the haters(since I assume few if any are here): The gays are not doing this to Disney. Disney is doing this to the gays, they make 17 first openly this or that kind of queerness because they want the gay peoples money.
That's the point of the meme, I thought?
Like... we know you're just pandering, Disney.
Yeah, and maybe its just me, but I had never though before this meme to phrase my thoughts about it the way I did, and I like the way it explains where the 'action' is coming from very plainly, since I hear opponents of representation claim that it works in reverse and somehow the gays are forcing media conglomerates to bend to their will, instead of the media conglomerates putting out whatever extracts the most cash. Like I don't expect the right leaners I know to understand and agree with this comment I'm typing, but I really feel like I could get somewhere if I phrased it like in the one you replied to. Of course not everyone can be moved in the first place, but its the idea I get from my experiences with them.