Happy dev noises
Happy dev noises
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Java? You'll be doing Cobol.
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What is it about Java where companies are hesitate to upgrade? Do the Java releases always bring breaking changes or are the companies that use Java have a culture of not prioritising tech upgrades?
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I think many companies don’t actively maintain a large portion of their code base at all. So any amount of work, no matter how small, involves a “project” and “budget” and “approvals” to even assign somebody to the task of upgrading.
Then you have the testing and due diligence from whomever actually uses the thing.
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Java for this flash in the pan mobile shit? Sure, they like breaking things.
Java for enterprise? No. They're probably only just finished converting that COBOL system to it, and they started 20 years ago. People have died while making it. They will never change anything.
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Java 8 to 21 + spring boot 2 to 3 brought the need to change a lot of dependencies, but often they were drop-in replacements. That was mostly Jakarta stuff. On the Spring side, a lot of things we used were deprecated, but that was not related to the Java version.
Did not take a huge amount of time to upgrade anyway. But maybe our systems weren't the most complex in the first place, a lot of our applications were pretty small.
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That can also have its own dependencies. I tried to update some relatively simple apps that ran on Java 8 with some Spring libraries (not Boot) and had to deal with the Jakarta stuff to handle it... Only to discover that the Weblogic Application Server we use doesn't support Jakarta just yet (or probably more accurately, STILL doesn't!)
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I think it was 5 that decided to change everything on the parser level, and 11 that decided to change everything on the modules level.
Outside of those, Java has always been extremely backwards compatible. But last time I checked the ecosystem still didn't recover from that module semantics change.
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If you code it in VBA, you won’t have to worry about future version updates. #futureproof
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won't be updating to Java 21
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if your bosses pants look like that don't take his swingline
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bmy thapler
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Wow I actually had a boss that wore these pants and wouldn't let me upgrade from a decade out-of-date visual studio C.
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I don't do Java. What is being implied here?
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The company is using old proprietary software that breaks unless a specific java version is used. And don't want to upgrade/switch because it is too expensive.
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And don't want to upgrade/switch because it is too expensive
Oh boy, you better have no employees or Oracle will make you pay for their existence:
https://www.oracle.com/in/a/ocom/docs/corporate/pricing/java-se-subscription-pricelist-5028356.pdf
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Isn’t there an openjdk impl in like every major Linux distro repository?
And so I assume the same would be available for windows?
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We can upgrade our coffee?!?
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Please, Hammer... don't hurt em.
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Is my boss going to the junior high dance in 1992?
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*Java 8
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There's a Java version higher than 8?
we upgraded to 8 from 5 at my first job in 2014
People are using a Java higher than 7? surprised corporate face
Y'all get Java 7?
One of my university professors wanted us to program using DrJava, so of course Java 8 it is.
Why did he want to use that? Because it was similar DrRacket, which he made us use in the previous term to program Scheme (which is just lisp for teachers). Of course that was just us being all modern and such, he himself used DrScheme, the deprecated precursor of DrRacket.
This guy is so old that my high school Systems teacher had him as her university professor.
He has a fancy current gen MacBook Pro that he uses for his stuff. Then when it's lesson time he whips out a windows 95 netbook and a daisy chain of adapters from VGA to thunderbolt.
I mean at that point you gotta admire the tenacity
That's so new! My stuff still requires version 1.8
/s