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Speaker's Nazi veteran invite 'profoundly embarrassing' Trudeau says, as Rota faces calls to resign

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Tensions flared in the House of Commons on Monday over opposition calls for House of Commons Speaker Anthony Rota to resign after apologizing to the House of Commons for inviting, recognizing and leading the chamber in a standing ovation for a man who fought for a Nazi unit during the Second World War.

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Nobody did a check on this old dude? How embarrassing, our enemies love these kind of amateur mistakes.
- This is embarrassing. Russia is already taking advantage of it.
  Russia blasts Canada over 'outrageous' reception in Parliament for Ukrainian who served in Nazi unit
  https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6977248
  
  Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov castigated Canada for 'sloppiness of memory'
  Peskov is (ugh) right. How oblivious do you have to be to not clue in when this guy is announced as having fought against the Russians in WW2? Unless he's Finnish (which he is not), which side do you think that puts him on?
- There didn't even need to be a check. Just the phrase "he fought in WWII against the Russians" would tell them all they needed if they put 2 seconds of thought into it.
  
  Poland fought and lost against the Russians in WW2. Are they Nazis?
- Nope, politicians hard at work as always.
What a colossal screw up. He really should step down - like this has geopolitical ramifications these days.
The controversy exploded over the weekend when it came to light that MPs from all parties, Trudeau and [president of Ukraine] Zelenskky honoured this individual with cheers, salutes and applause.
"We have here in the chamber today a Ukrainian Canadian war veteran from the Second World War who fought for Ukrainian independence against the Russians and continues to support the troops today even at his age of 98," Rota said on Friday. "I am very proud to say that he is from North Bay and from my riding of Nipissing—Timiskaming. He is a Ukrainian hero and a Canadian hero, and we thank him for all his service."
I think this issue raises how complex political history is more than anything. And, yeah, MPs should probably have more guidance with this stuff. "Speaker invites Nazi" seems so 'gotcha!' without learning anything from the incident
- Lol 'Ukrainian who fought the Russians in wwII' automatically makes him most likely a nazi, the political history is not complex at all here, they should have checked. I can't believe they didn't know.
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20090814153200/http://www.infoukes.com/galiciadivision/deschenes/
  Canada says 'they did nothing wrong' besides yannow being nazis.
  "We don't have proof they committed any war crimes"
did we break some political mirror or something? how are we constantly stumbling over ourselves
- It's modern Canadian politics. When have we not been constantly stumbling over ourselves in the past 15 years.
This seems as good a place as any to say that I've seen actual Parliamentary-minded people (Kady O'Malley, for one) point out that it would actually be inappropriate for the government to have any say in who the Speaker invites to the HoC. This is something that Andrew Scheer, as a former Speaker himself, knows.
- Regardless, if Rota or anyone on his staff had done two minutes of research on the guy, I'm pretty sure he would have not invited him to HoC.
  
  Yeah, I think he should definitely step down as Speaker.
I didn't realize speakers were MPs. (Dumb American)
- I didn't know any Americans cared about Canadian politics. Welcome. It's a dim place, but at least we're not quite at dark cesspit yet. We are doing are darnedest to get there though.
  
  You kidding? The NDP has always been my northern light. I grew up rage reading about Harper.
Are we taking bets on whether anyone will face any real consequences for this?
I have to say that this looks very odd to me. I'm in Rota's riding, and he hardly ever takes any action visible enough to make the news here. And now he takes a highly visible action that's going to trash his political career (regardless of whether he resigns or not, I doubt he's going to get reelected after this—rumour has it he won't run). He's been in politics for quite a while, and he should have known better. It's possible that he simply got complacent and careless, but I do wonder how he knew that this guy existed in the first place.
I wonder what he did while in WW2 or does anyone care? Does the fact that he was in the SS just makes him a bad guy regardless of his actions? His Wikipedia says he fought Russians, it doesn't say anything about exterminating Jews or anything else we know Hitler's Nazi's did.
It reminds me of Pope Benedict being a member of the Hitler youth. Some people were forced into that shit during a time of high propaganda and deception. Hitler was elected in a Democracy and fooled his own people to think they were being attacked so many normal regular Germans supported him. Are they all Nazi's?? No.
- The problem I see here stems from the fact that the parliament is supposed to represent all Canadians. Honouring a former member of the SS is inconsiderate to those who have suffered from Nazism as well as their descendants here in Canada. Maybe it's appropriate to honour him in Ukraine as someone who contributed to Ukrainian independence because many there sees Nazism as a lesser evil than Soviet oppression. However I don't think that's good enough of a reason for it to be considered appropriate here in Canada.
  
  It is inconsiderate without question. It's a massive gaffe on our government's part but it's still not clear what wrong this guy did. Lots of Germans were fooled into thinking Germany was being attacked when it wasn't. My best friend is German and his mother is insanely embarrassed by what happened and refuses to talk about it. It's a huge source of guilt and shame for many Germans but most Germans at one point supported Hitler. That doesn't make them bad people.
  Our Government saw this as a slam dunk against Russia and it backfired in the worst way possible. Maybe our Government will learn from this and no longer invite anyone to the house of commons to avoid any more future gaffes?
- Does the fact that he was in the SS just makes him a bad guy regardless of his actions?
  Yes. Are you a nazi apologist or extremely ignorant?
  It reminds me of Pope Benedict being a member of the Hitler youth.
  Likening the SS to the Hitler Youth is fucking ridiculous. So again, nazi apologist or extremely ignorant?
  Edit: spelling
- You sure are coming off as very judgmental.
  No one knows what this guy did during WWII but you're all so quick to assume because he was SS he most certainly did something bad. That's lazy thinking and if you had any shame, you'd be embarrassed by your words
  Like Oskar Schindler, he too was a Nazi but he saved lots of Jews and Jews love him for it. I've not heard 1 Jew call Oskar a Nazi but this entire thread is acting like just being SS means you're the worst person in the world, without any merit.
  We sure live in a fucked up place where merit doesn't matter and the opinion of people who admittedly know nothing and are just assuming from nothing.
  I also didn't say Hitler Youth and the SS were comparable. You clearly don't know how to read if someone is making a comparison or not so you come off as uneducated and ignorant.
  For someone who told me I don't know much, it's clear as day that you don't know much.
- Would he get an ovation in the Bundestag? No? So he shouldn't get one on Parliament Hill.
  Nazis bad, folks. Not that hard.
  
  I mean there is slightly more to it than just that. Oskar Schindler was a Nazi, is he bad?
- https://web.archive.org/web/20090814153200/http://www.infoukes.com/galiciadivision/deschenes/
  More info on why Canada does not see this guy as a Nazi can be found here. Basically they were nazis, but there was no proof of any war crimes. (?)
  
  The Commission accordingly FINDS that:
  56- The Galicia Division ( 14. Waffengrenadierdivision der SS [gal. #1]) should not be indicted as a group. 57- The members of Galicia Division were individually screened for security purposes before admission to Canada. 58- Charges of war crimes of Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred, or in 1984 when they were renewed, or before this Commission. 59- Further, in the absence of evidence of participation or knowledge of specific war crimes, mere membership in the Galicia Division is insufficient to justify prosecution. 60- No case can be made against members of Galicia Division for revocation of citizenship or deportation since the Canadian authorities were fully aware of the relevant facts in 1950 and admission to Canada was not granted them because of any false representation, or fraud, or concealment of material circumstances. 61- In any event, of the 217 officers of the Galicia Division denounced by Mr. Simon Wiesenthal to the Canadian government, 187 (i.e., 86 percent never set foot in Canada, 11 have died in Canada, 2 have left for another country, no prima facie case has been established against 16 and the last one could not be located

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