China lab suspected of Covid leak stripped of US funding for violating biosafety rules

This is stupid. There is just as much evidence it came from Fort Detrick.

For the record I don't think it came from either.

I don't know why anyone is still talking about a lab outbreak in Wuhan because of the wet market nearby being suspected in mid December, when we know for sure that Covid was in Italy in September/October and possibly as early as May. The world just shrugged at this info because faecal treatment samples aren't as interesting as as bat soup and bioterrorism.
- Racism mostly. Easier to just be racist against the Chinese than to admit COVID is the result of something more nuanced and systemic
- Any sources on the virus being discovered in Italy before China? That would change the entire discussion.
That’s the thing, the COVID conspiracy people now posting this shirt saying, “SEE!?! IT WAS LAB LEAK!!” as if that justifies every single other insane thing they’ve ever said about COVID. Because there’s a huge difference between “covid CAME FROM a lab” and “lab leak possible origin.” One implies conspiracy, the other implies carelessness. What’s the old saying? ‘Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to greed?’ I very much think the same applies to stupidity—and honestly, in this case, greed probably caused the stupidity. How much funding-slashing has led to calamity in recent times? Plenty.
- I think the lab with a long record of carelessness leaking the virus by accident is entirely plausible if not the most reasonable explanation. The issue is not so much about how/when it was leaked, but more along the lines of how poorly they handled the whole situation and subsequent coverup. For all we know, it could have been leaked by accident way earlier.
- The original saying is "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
It came from the wild. They, along with Germany and other labs, were researching Sars related wild vectors and the possibility of natural selection causing a new outbreak.
I find it reasonable to believe a biosafety incident at the Wuhan lab infected several of the lab researchers and that led to the pandemic.
But that's the extent of where things go. Conspiracies about bioweapons are idiotic.
- I thought this as well (massive safety events being a pretty normal thing, after all) until last year when the wet market swab data was finally analyzed. (After apparently being leaked? Accidentally? Accidentally on purpose?)
  https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715
  "Both early lineages of SARS-CoV-2 were geographically associated with the market"
- I remembered reading early on that someone sold a carcass from the lab to a wet market. I think that's probably Western propaganda and I have no idea whether that's true.
  However, in China there were posters in every restaurant saying to avoid eating such meats. They started to appear in the first half of 2020. I saw them in Shanghai, Ningbo, and Hangzhou.
  Maybe the government just saw it as a useful opportunity to steer the public toward factory-produced meats that fall under the "safe umbrella" of capitalism. Either one is interesting to think about

Hexbear users coming to defend China before even reading the post title:

- I am aware that this news article may be misleading. That's not the point of my comment.
They're coming in with their alts now. If you check some of the profiles on here, look how often China is mentioned and tell me it's not just obviously Hexbear users with alts

Sup guys. Just commenting here so you can avoid reading the most brainlet of a take below. Hope you all have a good day.

Looks like lab leak theory is back on the menu boys!

I feel like i'm taking crazy pills!

Damn even the nonpolitical homies are dunking on this one

The US funds research on a variety of subjects around the world, many of them only being possible to be researched locally because they are on local diseases and pathogens.
Less regulations, it's easier to do "funny stuff" like gain of function research (frankly a euphemism for biological warfare research) in China than in the US. And it's not like the US is just funding the biolab, they have people on site and oversight as well.

What if covid was a terrorist atack on china and iran by obama loyalists? With the aded benefit ithat it put them back in power.

Ah yes, because it's not like there are any geopolitical reasons that might explain why the NIH would want to decouple from China.

Fact is, you can find infractions from any lab. It's just a question of whether you want to look.

Did this thread get nuked? Says there should be 57 comments.

No self-respecting scientist concluded that either a natural origin or a lab leak were the definitive cause of the pandemic. This is clear if you actually read scientific literature. It’s why phrases akin to “the most supported hypothesis is X” or “the Y theory is unlikely without more supporting evidence” are used. Both hypotheses were and are still possible explanations.
It’s people who get their scientific info from sources like the Telegraph that keep jumping to conclusions. Or people who don’t understand what a section leader at the NIH does, how research grants work, or what gain of function research is. You know, like yourself.
- Yeah, it was just coincidence that the exact same strain evolved in the wild and transferred to humans in the same place at the same time!
- I question narratives and I'm met by insults. If the people responding had any evidence or were secure in their narrative they wouldn't need to resort to insults first.
The gain of function research on the same wild virus being done in conjunction with Germany?
Do you know any of the actual details of the project, where they were collecting wild bats infected with the proto version of Covid and were splitting up different components of the research to different labs?
The Wuhan group were researching the viral backbone and Germany the viral antigens.
The same sort of collaboration done on many other potentially concerning natural vector diseases.
- You're so invested in your narrative.
Have they found an animal with a strain related to the human variant? Isn’t that the main evidence they expect to be able to find to help prove it actually had a path from animal to human?
- If so, I haven't seen it. As far as I can tell, investigating the narrative is off limits. You can see how every person who has responded to my questioning has attacked me on a personal level.
Source on that claim?